Furious at ds work dismissal

Employers routinely ask at the interview stage if holiday are booked but they don’t have to honour them. It depends on how keen they are to take you on.

Common sense would have been to get the earlier train from day one of employment. of course they aren’t being unreasonable.

If you have a holiday booked before you get a new job (many people book holidays months and months in advance) then the employer has to allow you the time for it. Standard practice and obviously happens all the time.

We had a junior doctor in my department who was ridiculously precious. His girlfriend used ring the nurses station saying “could I speak to Dr X, I’m his girlfriend” as a way to mark her territory- she needn’t have worried, he was such a dick that nobody would have wanted him. His mummy rang up payroll once, shouting and swearing about his overtime not having been paid and how he was depending on that overtime money for his spending money on upcoming holiday etc. Turns out mummy’s dearest little prince hadn’t bothered submitting his timesheets by the deadline for payment, hence he wasn’t paid. When this was imparted to mummy, she said that as he was a doctor he had far more important things to be doing than submitting timesheets on schedule and asked did we not realise how lucky we were to have him working for us. It caused much hilarity on the ward and certainly did him no favours in terms of credibility or popularity.

Exactly this. I work in a university and it’s amazing how many parents phone up shouting and screaming about how little support their kid has got and it turns out they’ve had unbelievable amounts of support, just didn’t tell parents as they didn’t bother turning up to any appointments

Nah, she’s stormed off and is mad at all of us for being so wrong.

She’s probably molly coddling diddums at home. And ignoring all the nasty vipers on MN.

She's not replying to this thread... What's the point now

Too many young people are ignorant about how work actually works, their parents haven't told them and they fail to figure it out themselves despite clear opportunity to do so. No you can't come in late every day. Yes work is often boring, that's why they pay you to be there instead of the other way round.

Well, it appears we shall never be privy to the full tale, given that the OP has executed a rather theatrical disappearance.

One can only assume she is presently marinating in her own embarrassment.

😂

I wouldn’t believe everything I’m told by a 19 year old! I would have been telling him to make sure he’s early for work ready to start on time. In any case it’s his issue he’s an adult and maybe a lesson for him

He can be dismissed for any reason up to 2 years of service and if he's been late each day, that ground is fair to dismiss. He's unreliable. He accepted a job 40min away, it's his problem to get to work and if that means an earlier train, so be it.

I'm assuming your comment is to the OP because when speaking to Citizens Advice they explain this.

On the other hand though I feel like the OP has left out significant details and it's hard to say whether he would be or not. For instance does he have a disability that he would of or should of declared when he was employed that the employer hasn't considered - that the lateness can be tied to. Getting a later train might mean it takes them longer to get ready etc due to that disability. We just don't know.

Because either he doesn"t know any better or is just taking the piss. OP said he had another job previously for 2 years, why did he move on from that job?

If there is an earlier train, why didn’t he get that one from the start?

Exactly, and unfortunately there is now a whole generation that cannot emotionally process this reality with breaking down.

as an employer as I would definitely have been a bit perplexed about the request for lateness for a 40 min commute. 40 mins is a pretty average commute (in London anything less than an hour each way and you have a super quick commute) so would have been a bit unsure why they were even asking. So the even asking would have put my back up. In a new job I would have expected them to be getting there early, caffeinated and at their desk at the start time so probably 30 mins early. That likely would have coincided with the earlier train perhaps? Now if a person asked to be late as they were commuting 2 hours each way, I would have allowed some grace for that given the distance but otherwise even the asking if they could be late would have made them a kid I would likely let go unless their outlet was incredible.

I think this about sums it up. The telling thing here is that the employer had to email him on his first day back after holidays to actually tell him to get the earlier train. That suggests they either thought that he was late the first time because of delays or that there wasn’t an earlier train. Clearly they’ve done some digging while he was away on holiday and decided he was taking the piss. I don’t understand why anyone thinks it’s acceptable to be late for work every single day just because you can’t drag your arse out of bed in time for an earlier train.

Yep. It’s usual for employers to ask at interview if there are any holidays planned but they won’t always honour them. It sounds as though DS has informed them and they decided to honour them when they took him on. That doesn’t mean they’ll pay him for them though, having terminated his employment before he could accrue what was necessary to cover the holiday he took.

Did they actually say that it was OK all the time though? I suspect what they actually said was, that’s ok for today. And then he probably didn’t listen to the, next time get an earlier train bit before his holidays…

She's in a supermarket

Probation period is 12 weeks. Dismissal can be without giving a reason.

I would assume that only if that was the first train, but it wasn’t. So he just didn’t bother leaving earlier?

This is the problem. This post right here. Your job, for whatever reason, is incredibly lax and it’s led you to believe that this is normal. It’s not. It’s really, really not. You, and your son, need to accept that right now, otherwise nothing is going to change. It is not normal for employees to turn up late (any employees, never mind half of them - repeatedly, and certainly not ones on probation) and the employer to not care. If you’re going to carry that thought forward into life then there’s going to be a lot more surprise sackings on the way.

I interviewed for a job at a facility near me. A good firm that paid well and had civilised shift patterns and conditions. It went well; I passed the dexterity test, and I had experience of the work, and I'd long worked every conceivable shift pattern you can think of. The problem was, I was going on a family holiday very soon. I didn't get it, and I think that was why.