Lucy Letby (2)

As I said…

And you’ve got notifications on? True dedication. One has to wonder.

Dude, she’s a baby killer. It’s not weird to hate her and want her to stay locked up. It’s really not. If you think it is, your head is too far down the rabbit hole.

What is actually really weird and highly suspect is the vitriolic insulting of people who question the verdicts, the desperate attempts to debunk and attack the credibility of serious, highly credentialed experts, the so called strategising from certain online communities who dedicate an inordinate amount of time and energy to this. Theirs is not a rational position at this point, given what has emerged about the bad science used in the trial. For people who use the NHS and are subject to the British justice system however, it is entirely rational to want to pursue an explanation for the discrepancies between what the actual qualified neonatologists, statisticians, legal eagles have to say v the so called evidence used to convict her. At this point no one who is capable of reading a paper or trial transcript, and exercising critical thinking, can legitimately believe there is no reasonable doubt. So what’s their motivation? They never make any reasonable arguments, it’s just dogma and ad hominem attacks.

Where there is credible evidence that no crime was committed that definitely meets the criteria for an appeal. There just isn’t that evidence. You’re just being fed bullshit by a media-hungry extremely second-rate lawyer.

Just that there’s a big overlap between people who believe in insane conspiracy theories like the ones about Covid and also think Lucy Letby is innocent. I suspect you know her personally in some way or the family as I can’t understand why anyone would be so obsessed with defending a convicted murderer otherwise.

@Oftenaddled why do all the articles state this was under Lucy Letby's care then?

I think most people in health care have ignored management's requests more than once because they are often physically impossible to complete in the allotted time, dangerous, or both of the above.

That's not why she ignored them. Even suspending all disbelief for a second and saying she's not a serial killer, we can all agree she did dangerous things all on her own-the morphine overdose, leaving a baby lying in her own faeces, neglecting one baby to keep going over to baby C, taking a photo of a baby without their tube (just off the top of my head, there's probably more) so it's just laughable that you're even trying to claim she shouted at her manager because the instructions were dangerous. People really do make up a complete fantasy around her don't they.

I think most people in health care have ignored management's requests more than once because they are often physically impossible to complete in the allotted time, dangerous, or both of the above.

I never shouted; my way of dealing with ridiculous requests from management was to smile, nod, and carry on my shift as planned, but I wouldn't blame anyone who did shout.

Do we have any more details on what the shouting pertained to? Or examples of her deliberately going against her manager's directives?

Mark would've been all over the Shipman case. He is absolutely loving the attention. It's really not a stretch to me to think Letby did all of her crimes for attention when you've got the likes of MM defending her for exactly the same reason.

Letby tried to use morphine once but of course it gets brushed off as just a "mistake" and the other nurse gets more of the blame for overseeing it. I don't know how much smoke people need at this point.

My DS was born at 35 weeks due to pre-eclampsia and spent time in special care due to jaundice. They took him off an NG tube in under 48 hours because he kept trying to pull it out, then he was brought to me on the ward. I couldn't go to him in the first instance as I'd had an epidural that did feck all apart from paralysing my left leg. So, shit happens I guess.....

All Dewi came up with was theories and he also changed his mind on them, once in the trial and again when being interviewed by the media.

How much more of this do we have to go through , so dreadful for the parents . Guilty as charged , she did it , may she never be released

The appeal judges didn't find her guilty.

They said that there are was no case for an appeal to be heard, which is not unusual as the reasons for appeal are very ridgid in there definition.

And you don't think a nurse who "fed off the drama of the babies dying" is far more likely than not to be the cause of all these sudden unexpected deaths? You've just answered the question that always gets posed as well "what was her motive"? Not that the court even needed a motive, but her supporters don't seem to understand that.

Yes there were multiple experts all agreeing this was deliberate harm. What would they have to gain from doing that? Shoo Lee and his panel haven't looked at everything in such an exhaustive way as at trial. And what they've come up with are merely their theories. Now you've got the two main insulin experts dropping out, and all her supporters who were singing their praises a few months ago will be turning against them 😆

Are these the stats from the tv investigation/inquiry that were proven to be inaccurate?

She only worked 11 shifts there as well. Of course her supporters will say it doesn't give enough of a picture and she might just have been unlucky (again) to get a very wriggly baby each time 🙄even though if that was at all likely the other nurses would've had far more tubes dislodge than 1% (or less) between them.

Well two juries and two sets of judges in the court of appeal seem to think there were crimes 🤷‍♀️ so I’m going to go with them rather than the people who also think the government are implanting microchips in our brains through the Covid vaccine

It’s possible LL shouted at her manager. It’s possible she was a nightmare to work with: rude, arrogant, a habitual liar and incompetent. It’s possible she fed off the drama of the babies dying, didn’t really care about them or their families and enjoyed gossiping about it with her colleagues.

The only important question is, were crimes committed? Because if we’re locking people up on the basis of them being an arsehole, the prisons will fill up pretty damn quickly!

I have literally never heard any of my friends or family saying 'I was on the floor crying' metaphorically. But it could happen I guess.