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AIBU to wonder about names in the past.

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Wiseplumnet · 17/07/2026 08:58

AIBU to ask if anyone has noticed this, and if they do, what the reason for it is. I am in my 60's, so my grandparents were all born in the 'Edwardian' era and not one of them were called by their actual names. Some of them were so different from their given names, not diminutives like Dottie for Dorothy but more like Nora for Gladys! Names bearing no relation to first or even middle names. My Grandfather was called James John but every called him 'Bertie'. I have come across this in other families too. I thought I would ask a bigger group ( ie mumsnet) to see if anyone else has noticed or pondered this. I think I got too much time on my hands 😂

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Ragged · 18/07/2026 12:05

Several examples of this among women in my family history. Ella became Dinah, Sarah became Bill, etc. I haven't come across any men with odd nicknames in my tree, though.

istherereallytimeforallthat · 18/07/2026 10:45

ParsleySageToiletDuckAndBinBags · 17/07/2026 21:40

I'm just thinking from the pov of common sense that multiple people with the same name in one family - even if middle names are intended to be used instead - is inevitably going to lead to confusion along the line.

I would even go further and say that each child deserves their own name as an individual (within their family) and not to be effectively considered an extension of a parent or other family member.

It's absolutely bonkers to give a child a first name when you have no intention of them using that as their first name. By all means, if a person prefers to be known by their middle name - or indeed a completely different name - when they're older and make the decision for themselves; but to deliberately plan to officially give them their names in the wrong order from birth is such a pointless, needlessly confusing, self-indulgent thing to do - thinking of yourself and not the child.

Edited

I don't disagree with you, but it isn't really any of the registrar's business to police that decision. Having said that, apparently Iceland has a list of 'approved' names and you are only allowed to choose from that list.

AreThereSomewhereIslands · 18/07/2026 10:38

My great-grandmother got along famously with her husband's Aunty Betty, to the extent that when great-granny was pregnant with her first child she planned to name the baby after Aunty Betty if it was a girl.

At almost the last moment she thought to ask, "It is Betty-short-for-Elizabeth, isn't it?" and Aunty Betty replied very matter-of-factly, "Actually, it's short for Angelina...but you can't call a baby THAT!"

My granny was duly named Betty, not short for anything.

minipoodlemum · 18/07/2026 10:26

I know a Jill who is really Joan but when she started work in the 1960s there was already a Joan so she was told to pick a new name.

I also know an Alison who is really Rachel but she was too embarrassed to correct our employer in the 1980s when they recorded her name wrongly so she just became Alison at work. I only found out as I bumped into her outside of work and her friends asked me why I was calling her Alison.

Can’t imagine either of those scenarios happening today.

Cheese55 · 18/07/2026 09:14

WhatInTheFreshHellIsThis · 17/07/2026 09:21

I’m a nurse and have wondered this. So many elderly people have a different name that they go by. I have asked quite a few of them why their name is different to their medical notes and most of the time they don’t know themselves. They just say that that’s what their mum called them.

I also have worked in older people who have different names. Most of them had dementia and would get annoyed when you called them by their real name and couldn't understand why we didn't just know to call them by a completely unrelated name.

LeftieRightsHoarder · 18/07/2026 08:36

SerendipityJane · 17/07/2026 11:01

Everyone ?

I think Dontlike is joking! 😂

Davros · 18/07/2026 08:13

I’m not Scottish but my middle name is my paternal grandmother’s maiden name and my aunt had the same. It’s a very traditional northern surname, I love it

WearyAuldWumman · 18/07/2026 08:04

LaliqueSaltGrinder · 18/07/2026 07:59

Yes that is very common, I am Scottish and we have a tradition of using surnames as first names - men called Campbell, Crawford etc, but also using previous generation surnames as middle names. This does make researching families easier if families do this. Although sometimes they go rogue, my grandfather had the middle name Smith and that is not a family name. Who knows.

What is not common is for women to keep their birth surname after marriage and use it as a middle name. Scotland has a long tradition of not "forgetting" women's birth surnames, both will be listed on a death certificate for example, and on old parish records you will see parents listed as John Smith and his wife Ann Brown, not Ann Smith.

All the older graves in our local cemeteries have the wives' maiden names on the headstones. I notice that the newer ones only seem to have the married surnames.

I've had my maiden name inscribed on my husband's stone: "Beloved Husband of Weary [Maiden Name]."

NightIbble · 18/07/2026 08:04

I work with a lad whoes family cone from Jamaica and he says lots of his family have nicknames that bear no resemblance to their actual names.

LaliqueSaltGrinder · 18/07/2026 07:59

WearyAuldWumman · 18/07/2026 07:46

Yes, my mum did this. Her full name was Forename, My Grandmother's Maiden Name (as middle name) Mum's Maiden Surname, Dad's Surname.

Yes that is very common, I am Scottish and we have a tradition of using surnames as first names - men called Campbell, Crawford etc, but also using previous generation surnames as middle names. This does make researching families easier if families do this. Although sometimes they go rogue, my grandfather had the middle name Smith and that is not a family name. Who knows.

What is not common is for women to keep their birth surname after marriage and use it as a middle name. Scotland has a long tradition of not "forgetting" women's birth surnames, both will be listed on a death certificate for example, and on old parish records you will see parents listed as John Smith and his wife Ann Brown, not Ann Smith.

WearyAuldWumman · 18/07/2026 07:46

soundsys · 18/07/2026 00:05

Very common in Scotland to have your maiden name as a middle name (rather than a double barrelled surname)

Yes, my mum did this. Her full name was Forename, My Grandmother's Maiden Name (as middle name) Mum's Maiden Surname, Dad's Surname.

Movingtodarkestperu · 18/07/2026 04:15

Wiseplumnet · 17/07/2026 08:58

AIBU to ask if anyone has noticed this, and if they do, what the reason for it is. I am in my 60's, so my grandparents were all born in the 'Edwardian' era and not one of them were called by their actual names. Some of them were so different from their given names, not diminutives like Dottie for Dorothy but more like Nora for Gladys! Names bearing no relation to first or even middle names. My Grandfather was called James John but every called him 'Bertie'. I have come across this in other families too. I thought I would ask a bigger group ( ie mumsnet) to see if anyone else has noticed or pondered this. I think I got too much time on my hands 😂

My paternal grandmother was Mabel. She was very difficult to find (died in the 60s) as her actual name was Esther. She went into service apparently and was told Esther was too posh for a servant so she became Mabel

Redflagsabounded · 18/07/2026 04:09

I know a current day renaming of 'domestic staff'. A woman who worked for a large estate with a number of employees had the same name as the owner. She got renamed to 'avoid confusion' and it stuck so much it's now her name even though she stopped working for them years ago.

GarlicEverywhere · 18/07/2026 03:36

I may be wrong, but have an impression that people younger than me (I'm in my 70s) care much more about their names than my generation. My first name's unusual and I'm always being told I've got it wrong, am spelling it wrong, or it's pronounced differently .It can be mildly annoying but not worth a row, imo. I answer to anything that sounds like they meant me 😂 and just roll my eyes a bit while explaining that, yes, I do know my name. I've lived in countries where the language doesn't contain one of the sounds in my name, so have always let them adapt the pronunciation.

Most people on threads about name mispronunciation are really angry, upset about it and I don't rightly understand why - possibly something to do with 'identity', which seems to be quite a fragile thing these days? I don't know! I'm the same me whether you call me Joan, Jean, Jane, Jan or whatever. If it works as an identifier, it's serviceable.

Among my same-aged friends there's a Pidge, a Zippy, a Cat (not Catherine), a Sess (her name's Linda), a Vlad (woman), a Squidge, several Lulus whose names aren't Lulu, a Jake who just adopted the name at some point, dozens of made-up names that come from infant mispronunciations, a few Tinies and lots of nicknames derived from the bearers' surnames.

This must surely still happen? I've never heard anyone my age get worked up about being called the wrong name or nickname; at most there's a calm correction.

In the UK, you don't need a deed poll to change a name. As long as you can show you use "one name for all official purposes", you can just get on with it. I suspect this is changing with globalisation, as more systems require documented ID - but you could still have your passport issued as Squidge 🙂

Giraffehaver · 18/07/2026 03:21

None of my great grandparents went by their given first names and I've no idea why. Sadly they have all gone now but it was all totally random...James went by Nick for example

Bubbleybees · 18/07/2026 03:16

Yikes101 · 17/07/2026 09:55

My grandmother was known by the name that apparently was her older brother’s choice of name for her rather than her what her parents actually named her.
The other thing I don’t quite understand is diminutives that don’t quite make sense (even though I know they’re accepted diminutives), why does Margaret become Peggy or what’s the point of making 1 syllable, 4 letters of John into 1 syllable and 4 letters of Jack?

Was told lately (haven't verified with my own research) this can be traced back to the middle ages and their love of a rhyme. Margaret became Maggie, which Meggie which became Peggy for example. Same with William - Will - Bill, and loads of other examples.

The ones I'm still not sure on are the Henry - Harry, John - Jack sort of thing, but again those can be traced way back. Henry 8th was harry in his youth. I think it might be to do with translations. Ie Henry in french is Henri which could be misheard as Harry?!

GarlicEverywhere · 18/07/2026 02:59

Lovely13 · 17/07/2026 18:44

It was common in Celtic culture. Christen a child one name and then call them something completely different. Or always use a middle name (as happened to me) rather than given first name. No idea why!

If you're going back that far, most ancient societies thought names had power. If nobody knew your real name, no-one could curse it. Allusions to this belief crop up quite often in old fairy stories and ancient mythologies.

ERthree · 18/07/2026 02:22

didntlikeanyofthesuggestions · 17/07/2026 09:01

Everyone was given fake names in the Second World War for security purposes. Most of them stuck.

Didn't happen at all.

Goldenbear · 18/07/2026 02:02

Yes on both sides I my great uncles and aunts. One side was very unusual with it though as they had names that were very much about nature around them.

TempestTost · 18/07/2026 01:13

I'm Canadian, and I've observed something similar, OP.

In my parents and grandparents generation, many people seemed to have nicknames or use shortened forms.Mainly though not exclusively men. So things like Bobby, Billy, Dick. The nick names were sometimes common, like boys with the last name Miller were called Dusty, or sometimes applied to individuals, things like Boomer or Cubby.

The other thing I note is that this, particularly the nicknames, seemed more common in the working class.

It's unusual to see any of this in my generation (X) or those younger than me, though it's persisted to a greater degree in rural areas.

mrsjoyfulprizeforraffiawork · 18/07/2026 01:12

My paternal great aunt and my maternal great aunt were each the "baby bunting" of their respective Victorian parents and known to all the family and friends as "Bunt" and "Bunty" respectively. Not something that happened much after the mid 20th century ( except we did have the Bunty comic in the 1950s/60s).

GingersOwner26 · 18/07/2026 01:02

I'd forgotten this one - there was confusion when some cousin was trying to draw up a family tree as to whether there were two siblings "Andrewina and Ada, Andrewina died in infancy" or "Andrewina became Ada through child wrong pronunciation of the name and that was only ever one person." Evidence in favour of the first is that there's no death record for Andrewina Lastname in the right area in the right time period. It was never really resolved as that cousin died without ever completing the tree.

Leapintothelightning · 18/07/2026 00:12

My granny was born Helen but went my Ella!

soundsys · 18/07/2026 00:05

LaliqueSaltGrinder · 17/07/2026 13:39

This is very common in the US, a girl is born as Susan Brown, she marries Mr White, and becomes Susan Brown White with Brown as a middle name. It's not something we usually do here unless the two surnames are double barrelled.

Very common in Scotland to have your maiden name as a middle name (rather than a double barrelled surname)

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 17/07/2026 23:02

didntlikeanyofthesuggestions · 17/07/2026 09:01

Everyone was given fake names in the Second World War for security purposes. Most of them stuck.

My Granny used to wear a stick-on moustache, and my Uncle wore a dress. Their dog (a pug) had a false snout on a piece of elastic, and the local milkman walked with a limp even though he was 100% phyically fit (but mentally unstable).

I believe this, along with the the fake names, was to confuse the Nazis if they ever invaded.

Sadly their dog died when the gas mask they had fitted during the a particularly intense air raid of the docks in 1941 interferred with the false snout.

Strangely, my Uncle continued to wear his dress until long after rationing ceased in 1954.