AIBU to think neighbours should not be naked in their garden?

Last nights party was still in full swing at 330 am.

My neighbour (who is friends with them on FB) has said they had a “Butler in the Buff”.

It’s all a bit cringe.

I’m not sure, only you can know that, I’m just observing the tone of your comments. As well as commenting on the simple maths of how niche an interest naturism is, and how unusual it is in the UK for people to be outside naked in overlooked suburban back gardens.

Why would I be getting annoyed? I’m simply calling you out on your mistaken comments.

I hear you that it's normal for you. It's not normal for at least 90% of the population, though.

Cambridge dictionary definition of 'norm': an accepted standard or a way of behaving or doing things that most people agreewith:

As I said before, it is not a cultural norm in the UK to mix with strangers in the nude. The stats you quote back that up, even if taken on face value. Yet having looked into them some more, the 6.75 million quoted relies on a very broad definition which is much wider than just people who frequent nudist events. It includes anyone who's ever sunbathed naked once, or has gone skinny dipping once. Whereas if you look at the membership number for British Naturism it's around 10,000 only.

You seem to be getting annoyed that I'm pointing out that what you like to do isn't the norm. But it isn't the norm.

Around 8% of people commute to and from work by bus. Would you describe them as “not normal” or as a “fringe sub-culture”? And if not, why not?

This is just silly, and not analogous. While lots of people will travel to work by other means, it isn't seen as unusual to travel by bus, and it doesn't transgress a taboo.

Where I live is on any “normal” road in any “normal” town, and yes, there are people that sunbathe naked in their gardens during this heatwave.

Come on, you're talking about yourself here, aren't you!

Bless.

Last nights party was still in full swing at 330 am.

My neighbour (who is friends with them on FB) has said they had a “Butler in the Buff”.

It’s all a bit cringe.

Nice sidestep. Why are you trying so hard to dodge the issue of potential harm to/coercion of children?

The “semantics”’ as you refer to them make every difference. But of course you knew that didn’t you?
Being in the minority doesn’t automatically make something “not normal”. Around 8% of people commute to and from work by bus. Would you describe them as “not normal” or as a “fringe sub-culture”? And if not, why not?
Where I live is on any “normal” road in any “normal” town, and yes, there are people that sunbathe naked in their gardens during this heatwave. To the best of my knowledge no-one has so far sent round a lynch mob to have them executed.

Last nights party was still in full swing at 330 am.

My neighbour (who is friends with them on FB) has said they had a “Butler in the Buff”.

It’s all a bit cringe.

And of course if you’d like me to I can find a whole raft of events that completely contradict your findings.

Well, since someone has concocted a strawman argument in which apparently we're advocating for the forced nudity of children it doesn't really seem worth addressing a hypothetical scenario within a fictitious world.

That said, while supporting the obvious need to protect children in all situations, I do find that an emotive appeal to "will nobody think of the children?" is the MN equivalent of Godwins Law.

That’s true. Sure why don’t you pop to Tesco naked and test your theory? If 1 in 7 people are naturists and there are at least 14 people in your local Tesco you can reasonably expect to see another naked person besides yourself. Let us know how you get on.

Last nights party was still in full swing at 330 am.

My neighbour (who is friends with them on FB) has said they had a “Butler in the Buff”.

It’s all a bit cringe.

Last nights party was still in full swing at 330 am.

My neighbour (who is friends with them on FB) has said they had a “Butler in the Buff”.

It’s all a bit cringe.

It’s funny how little the ‘let it all hang out’ lobby seems to have to say on that aspect of things… I may have missed posts, but I’ve not really seen it addressed.

I think you have totally misunderstood my point!

Oh well, in that case it’s fine to go nude / have sex in public whenever we want. What a spurious argument.

As I've said before you sound like an admirable parent and its nice that you are considerate of others.

And we can agree to disagree rather than talk more. That's not unreasonable.

But in saying...
If you can’t see that a person who doesn’t want themselves or their child exposed to nudity shouldn’t trump the interests of the person who wants to be naked, I can’t help you
...you've just reversed your stated position of being considerate toward others by saying "only my opinion matters".

Nonetheless, have a nice evening and I hope the sciatica improves

Alright here’s some better examples

• I would love to stick my kids in the garden at unsociable (but legal) hours for my own sanity but don’t. And yes, it is an inconvenience to keep them inside
• I’m currently pregnant with bad sciatica but don’t park in a parent and child bays when I don’t have the kids -even though P&C bays aren’t protected by law because I know it’s a dick move if someone with a car seat can’t get a spot there

There’s two off the top of my head. No legal mandate for either, both cause inconvenience or in the case of the latter physical pain due to longer distance to walk. And being on the receiving end of either of these inconsiderate behaviours still wouldn’t equate to what it feels like to unwillingly and unexpectedly see a naked man, for some women.

I won’t argue with you further. If you can’t see that a person who doesn’t want themselves or their child exposed to nudity shouldn’t trump the interests of the person who wants to be naked, I can’t help you. Also if anyone is going to (in your words) “suffer” by having to put on underwear, I can recommend M&S, I’ve always found them to be quite comfy.

Googling 'naturist swimming places in Greater London' throws up a grand total of 4 places in the whole of London that offer naked swimming to the general public.

None of the leisure centres in my borough (an inner London borough) or any of the neighbouring boroughs offer it.

Not indicative of a high level of demand in a city of 9 million people.