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The Left have a become a snivelling self-righteous mob, busy bodying around, trying to shame others

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Northermcharn · 09/05/2026 18:17

I read this quote and it encapsulates exactly how I feel

'I never thought I'd see the day when the Right became the cool ones giving the finger to the establishment, and the Left became the snivelling self-righteous ones going around shaming everybody'

AIBU to think this is what many people think these days? We didn't leave the left, the left left us.

*the quote is from John Lydon aka Johnny Rotten. He's deliberately provocative in lots of ways, but he meant this one. I fully expect some people to come on the thread to tell us all how he's a horror and said he likes Donald Trump. That would be them missing the point.. but.. Let Them..

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Northermcharn · 15/05/2026 13:51

SleeplessInWherever · 15/05/2026 13:44

“Nigerians should be melted down and used to fill potholes.” (Glenn Gibbons)

”Shola should… fuck off back to Nigeria.” (Ian Cooper)

Calling white people the “master race” and describing Muslims as “rats.” (Stuart Prior)

Using Neo-Nazi images online. (Nathaniel Menday)

Yep. Just a load of normal blokes, representing the normal working class and their ‘concerns.’

How anyone could vote for them with a straight face is beyond me. It’s patently obvious what they are.

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Not sure what planet you are on (planet starmer maybe) but you haven't rtft. Nor do you understand the electorate and why people have voted reform. It is all in this thread.

Of course there are disgusting far right people national front types as you have quoted, or KKK (in the usa) types- as there always was. But if you think that everyone who has voted reform think like the old far right - you are horribly misguided. Really - please try and educate yourself. I don't have the time to enlighten you right now.

eta - since you haven't rtft, I am not a reform voter, but am capable of asking questions and trying to understand other peoples perspectives and points of view.

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Northermcharn · 15/05/2026 13:53

Idlewilder · 15/05/2026 13:41

How is using language like snivelling, self righteous and busybodying anything but trying to shame the left? You're not exactly setting the gold standard for political debate here.

If I was in an official debating contest, I'd try harder Miss.

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SleeplessInWherever · 15/05/2026 13:55

Northermcharn · 15/05/2026 13:51

Not sure what planet you are on (planet starmer maybe) but you haven't rtft. Nor do you understand the electorate and why people have voted reform. It is all in this thread.

Of course there are disgusting far right people national front types as you have quoted, or KKK (in the usa) types- as there always was. But if you think that everyone who has voted reform think like the old far right - you are horribly misguided. Really - please try and educate yourself. I don't have the time to enlighten you right now.

eta - since you haven't rtft, I am not a reform voter, but am capable of asking questions and trying to understand other peoples perspectives and points of view.

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Wow, ok attitude.

I’m quite aware why people vote Reform. Not sure if you’ve RTFT, but members of my family do.

But, comments like the above should be enough for anyone to not want to associate with them, there is no “reason” to vote for them that is valid enough against out and out racism.

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Northermcharn · 15/05/2026 14:07

SleeplessInWherever · 15/05/2026 13:55

Wow, ok attitude.

I’m quite aware why people vote Reform. Not sure if you’ve RTFT, but members of my family do.

But, comments like the above should be enough for anyone to not want to associate with them, there is no “reason” to vote for them that is valid enough against out and out racism.

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I agree with you that if a person in a party makes comments like that - it Should be enough to not vote for them. At the same time I understand that people are desperate, they want change and they believe Reform will provide what they want - because reform are currently the only party 'committing' to things like reducing immigration, securing borders, putting UK citizens first. Will they provide those things, no of course not. They'll be a disasterous shambles. Lets hope they never see power. Unfortunately labour have been doing all they can do enable Reform.

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SleeplessInWherever · 15/05/2026 14:43

Northermcharn · 15/05/2026 14:07

I agree with you that if a person in a party makes comments like that - it Should be enough to not vote for them. At the same time I understand that people are desperate, they want change and they believe Reform will provide what they want - because reform are currently the only party 'committing' to things like reducing immigration, securing borders, putting UK citizens first. Will they provide those things, no of course not. They'll be a disasterous shambles. Lets hope they never see power. Unfortunately labour have been doing all they can do enable Reform.

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I did notice that your vote has moved to Conservative.

In honesty, when you look at the set up of Reform and the movement of Tory MPs over to them, I struggle to see the Conservatives as anything other than just Reform in a bluer tie.

I also think Kemi would have to go some to make the last 14 years forgivable, and I don’t see her ever doing enough to convince me.

JHound · 15/05/2026 14:52

😆. Ok.

cardibach · 15/05/2026 15:31

Northermcharn · 15/05/2026 13:14

No not true. It's moved further left - so things that were once seen as centre or centre left, are now apparently right. Then we have the utter BS of people like STarmer saying some women have a penis. Being accurate about this should not be left or right, it being biological fact and all - however it is the left that have run with the some women have a penis / men can have a cervix narrative. so any sensible sex realist is now apparently a right wing bigot. Just one example.

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It really hasn’t, and your assertion it has shows a lack of political understanding. As such, no real point in talking to you further about it.

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Northermcharn · 15/05/2026 16:21

cardibach · 15/05/2026 15:31

It really hasn’t, and your assertion it has shows a lack of political understanding. As such, no real point in talking to you further about it.

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😂Aw @cardibach so sure of yourself. so wrong. Never mind - that is very normal for the labour loyals. In fact it's really what this thread is about.

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Boomer55 · 15/05/2026 16:22

Yes, they have. Bored with them all now. 🙄

Jane379 · 21/08/2026 15:58

MaturingCheeseball · 10/05/2026 14:13

No doubt the (at least) 18 million people coming into the country would not be contributing. Do you think any of the small boat arrivals are going to be care workers? Would you want them to be your carer or your parents’? Strict Muslims have strong rules regarding dealing with people out of the family. Eg they are not allowed to adopt/foster, let alone wipe a bum of someone of the opposite sex.

I know this is an old thread, but this is not accurate re Muslims and adoption. They can adopt & foster, Muhammad is quoted as raising those who care for orphans.
Conditions do apply though: once the adopted child reaches puberty they would have to observe modesty rules around non related opposite sex adoptive family.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamicadoptionaljurisprudence

  • links at the bottom of this give more info.

As to care work, Islamic rules I don't think would forbid male carers doing personal care for elderly men. Whether they would want to is another question. Opposite sex personal care obviously isn't ideal any way and leaves room for abuse, but unfortunately care homes generally are so short staffed..

Crikeyalmighty · 22/08/2026 11:04

I’m centre left voter and not remotely like this, I’m not even particularly ‘woke’ - and there are many like me - I’m very much a believer in capitalism but with a strong social underpinning ( think the scandis, Netherlands, Germany) the idea we are all a load of green voting vegan killjoys is for the birds and nope I don’t really go a bundle on them either - we could equally say everyone who votes Tory or Reform is a bigoted , rose tinted glasses berk with zero understanding of international trade as it is these days - but that wouldn’t be the full picture, well not the Tory’s anyway, Reform - more so , as clearly most voting that way don’t give a shit about out and out dodgy conmen either and have zero understanding of what is bar room populist bullshit just for the masses

5MinuteArgument · 22/08/2026 18:27

Jane379 · 21/08/2026 15:58

I know this is an old thread, but this is not accurate re Muslims and adoption. They can adopt & foster, Muhammad is quoted as raising those who care for orphans.
Conditions do apply though: once the adopted child reaches puberty they would have to observe modesty rules around non related opposite sex adoptive family.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamicadoptionaljurisprudence

  • links at the bottom of this give more info.

As to care work, Islamic rules I don't think would forbid male carers doing personal care for elderly men. Whether they would want to is another question. Opposite sex personal care obviously isn't ideal any way and leaves room for abuse, but unfortunately care homes generally are so short staffed..

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Last time I looked, Britain was not a Muslim country.

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