The Left have a become a snivelling self-righteous mob, busy bodying around, trying to shame others

Bella has achieved the impossible - brought us all together for a brief moment in time, anyway 😂

I'm sorry? Are you referring to marganilsed people as 'dogs'? Is this actually serious?

Jesus Christ. 'Underdog' is a figure of speech. Give your head a wobble.

You claim to be on the left but you absolutely don't represent me.

No there is nothing about the 'UK' that I like. The horrific things the people of this country have done to folks around the world keeps me up at night more than I'd like. I know it might sound silly or extreme to some, but I am a deeply empathic person and I cannot stomach injustice of any sort. I will always be on the side of the people who are unable to defend themselves.

I'm sorry? Are you referring to marganilsed people as 'dogs'? Is this actually serious?

Well I'm sorry but why wouldn't you? I am a member of multiple organisations that help disadvantaged people from around the world. I've worked for 2 years with Care for Calais and donate rather generously to various charities. I don't mean to toot my own horn here but you will not find a more selfless, dedicated individual than myself. Unless you own a company expressly for the purpose of doing harm to marganilsed people then you would be lucky to have me quite frankly.

'I will always be on the side of the people who are unable to defend themselves.'

Ahh a very British trait - Brits always support the underdog..

My previous post to you was

Wow.

Hoping for the downfall of the country, self loathing, hatred of white 'colonisers' really sums up some on the left. Is there nothing about the UK you like @InstantlyBella

Then you say various other things in subsequent posts, which implies you know best, and others are wrong. (The 'wrong party') In your view only!

It's a democratic country unlike the countries that need aid. We don't need to import undemocratic practices here so we become like the countries people flee from.

You have made many posts that show who you are and it doesn't match with your own high view of yourself.

People would still be able to vote for whatever party they feel represents them and their interests best, for me that is what a democracy is about.

But given how important politics is in today's space, and how damaging voting for the wrong party can be for certain folks, it is high time that people are made to stand by the candidates that they choose to back. I don't want to feel like I don't know who is voting for who anymore, it's giving me too much anxiety.

People would still be able to vote for whatever party they feel represents them and their interests best, for me that is what a democracy is about.

But given how important politics is in today's space, and how damaging voting for the wrong party can be for certain folks, it is high time that people are made to stand by the candidates that they choose to back. I don't want to feel like I don't know who is voting for who anymore, it's giving me too much anxiety.

@rainingsnoring 'I agree with you that Labour abandoned the working class, whatever that even means nowdays'

Quite. Whatever that means nowadays. I define working class as people who need to work for a living, to pay the bills, to have a decent life. That could be a person working on a check out, a builder, a teacher, a lawyer, a scientist, a vet, an accountant - any one else who works for a living. They have in common the need to work to pay bills. I fully understand the origins of the class definitions, and in earlier years eg. an accountant would be 'white collar' so middle class etc etc blah blah. These definitions simply don't work any more.

Today we have the working class, people who work. They need to work to have an income. Then we have 2 groups who don't need to work for their income - the
*benefits class, and the super rich class (catchy name I thought) - they have streams of income but don't need to work for it in the traditional sense (anymore).

So no Labour do not work for the working class, they're currently punishing most of the working class (and I see Rayner et al want to go further, they have no idea). They work for the benefits class only (and themselves of course), and that is totally destructive. No growth etc.

*And it goes without saying, but I will say it because I know 'some' people will jump up and down on it - I am not being derogatory about people who need to claim benefits. One day who knows who will need to do so. They are important, a safety net for many people. Well that was their original purpose. Unfortunately now they have become a way of life an or an aim for many (to deny that is to be ignorant) - and that is unsustainable.

I would choose not to employ you based on your views, irrespective of your voting history.

A secret ballot is a key part of democracy, so won’t that undermine democracy?

What you haven't grasped, and what is fundamental to the whole post, is that I and many others, (including JL and JKR both of whom I have quoted here for that reason) Were left leaning. We have all stayed in the same place but the 'left' has gone awol, or some call it further left but if left is thinking men can be women, and not thinking about the needs of the working class people you purport(ed) to represent - then fck the left.

It is not surprising (at all) that you (and others on this thread) haven't realised this, it's a symptom more than anything. But hey - look where we are - Starmer is tanking because he has not met the needs and wants of the working classes (primarily). Again - it isn't because they've all turned into raging racists. It's because their needs and wishes have been ignored for too long.

You and others like you on this thread, can continue to try and belittle people as 'reform voters' or 'comedians' or .. uhm I forget.. but maybe it's time you and others started to listen instead.

Eta - I've only ever voted Lab (didn't vote last GE), or last locals, Ind. Next time, it's Conservative, 100%