The Left have a become a snivelling self-righteous mob, busy bodying around, trying to shame others

Nigel Farage is part of the establishment and has always been so. It’s why he has so much media support. It’s beyond me why working class people think a privately educated former banker has their best interests at heart.

Look at Farage’s voting record he always votes against strengthening worker rights. He’s complained that the minimum wage is too high for youngsters. The cognitive dissonance from
the right is astounding.

Thanks for proving that you are ideologically driven. For a minute, I thought you might be rational.

You clearly aren’t keeping up with the consequences of leftist economic policy currently. On unemployment, inflation, taxation, economic growth, investment. If you did, you wouldn’t regurgitate tired soundbites and engage in outcomes driven debate.

Far left and far right are as bad as each other! Sadly the Tory party fucked up so badly many have got such extreme views now! But to be honest I’d vote Tory over reform or greens any day!

This is such an odd thing to post given what I posted.

But I guess if you're only argument is "you stupid and racist" then it's not that surprising.

I can’t see your face but I assume you typed that with a straight one.

Medical tourism is a rounding error compared to the damage done by austerity and understaffing. The NHS wasn’t broken by migrants, it was broken by political choices.

And we hear the same thing every single time workers get more rights minimum wage, sick pay, maternity leave, weekends. Apparently it’ll destroy the economy. Funny how it never does. Meanwhile parties like Reform openly talk about deregulation and rolling back employment protections, so let’s not pretend the modern right is passionately pro-worker.

As for private schools, nobody’s stopping people using them. But pretending they don’t massively boost access to elite jobs and connections is nonsense. That’s not “envy”, it’s just reality.

Bless you for being such a stereotypical Farage supporter.

Not everyone is a Labour supporter I might add.

I'm left wing. So are my adult kids, lots of my friends and most of my extended family across 4 generations.
Some of us are cool. Some of us, like me, not so much.
Fortunately I lost the urge to signal my coolness through my politics circa 1988, after being gutted that the hot guy with the socialist worker under his arm never noticed I was reading Das Kapital on the bus.
How are the right performing their coolness these days? Putting up England flags and muttering that they don't know what the country's coming to, is it?

If Brown is the answer, Labour are asking the wrong question.

They are all the fucking same. Won't have a sensible mature conversation and agree to disagree. They have to scream in your face to get their point across😡

To be fair, Brown is now advising Starmer. I don't think it's likely to change much, but he did have significant input into very popular policies.

Equally, I don't think anyone over the age of 21 cares about what's 'cool'. The left being self-righteous is another argument. Is either side of the political spectrum anything but?

Quite but we've had the Tories since ? You know, the ones who Reform are accepting into their ranks whilst promising change.

No one disagrees with healthcare, workers’ rights, state education. It’s disingenuous to make out that the right is against these things.

But there has to be a limit to the extent of these and rights need to be balanced with responsibilities.

NHS is a national health service, not an international one. The right is not racist for insisting that medical tourism should not be tolerated.

The right is not unreasonable to insisting that employment legislation that actually leads to higher unemployment is stupidity and self harm. Of course a baseline of rights is essential. What good is further legislation if it actually leads to a weaker economy and more people losing their jobs. You can’t eat workers rights or use them to keep you warm in the winter.

State education is a good thing, but why penalized private education. If anything, private education takes the burden off the state system. It is politics of envy and frankly small minded to try and penalize this stuff rather than driving the economy forward so everyone has more.

Why is the left all about small minded, bitterness? And hatred of people who no power all the free things they want.

That’s New Labour of newly 30 years ago, they are all legacies of Blair & Brown.

That’s not really how UK politics works though. Most people on the left aren’t asking for “equal outcomes” where everyone ends up the same or equally poor. They’re saying opportunity isn’t actually equal when your background, school, family money and postcode massively affect your chances in life.

The NHS, minimum wage, workers’ rights, state education etc weren’t about dragging successful people down, they were about giving ordinary people a fair shot instead of everything being decided by wealth and connections.

Anyone fed up of the Farage disciples winning then whinging about it? It’s like Brexit all over again. You won get over it.

By getting on, do you mean equality of opportunity or equality of outcome?

If it’s the former, then that aligns fully with right leaning thinking. The left tends to believes in equality of outcome and will actively lower outcomes for everyone in the name equality. Like making everyone equally poor.

Whereas Reform love women?

They want to scrap the equality act. The Equality Act makes it illegal for women to be paid less than men for equal work, meaning your right to equal pay is protected in the legislation. It also places a legal responsibility on employers to prevent sexual harassment at work and makes it illegal to fire you if you are pregnant and provides redundancy protection on maternity leave. Without Equality Act, could be refused employment simply because you are perceived to be of child-bearing age.

They want to scrap the EHCR which requires states to take effective measures against gender-based violence, prohibits discrimination based on sex, has addressed issues surrounding reproductive autonomy, including access to safe legal abortion services and reproductive healthcare, ensures workplace equality,
protects victims by ensuring that legal proceedings do not create excessive burdens of proof that discourage reporting of sexual harassment or assault.

Not to mention the ideas floated about taxing childless women more.

You couldn't make it up could you? He's also the guy that called you 'pretty vacant' at the same time as telling you that you should get rid of the monarchy.

And you wonder why people think the Reform lot are thick.

Well, they aren't for the working class like the old days. They can say working people as much as they want but that doesn't change anything

Annnnnd straight to the immigration rhetoric....I should have put a bet on it.

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.

I doubt many people give a shit what some has been pop star thinks.

I was a socialist all my life.
They started to lose me when the trans nonsense started.
It's been downhill since then.

I came to realise I believe in working hard, taking care of one another, opportunity, education, freedom, looking after the vulnerable and that this fits more now with being a conservative.