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The Left have a become a snivelling self-righteous mob, busy bodying around, trying to shame others

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Northermcharn · 09/05/2026 18:17

I read this quote and it encapsulates exactly how I feel

'I never thought I'd see the day when the Right became the cool ones giving the finger to the establishment, and the Left became the snivelling self-righteous ones going around shaming everybody'

AIBU to think this is what many people think these days? We didn't leave the left, the left left us.

*the quote is from John Lydon aka Johnny Rotten. He's deliberately provocative in lots of ways, but he meant this one. I fully expect some people to come on the thread to tell us all how he's a horror and said he likes Donald Trump. That would be them missing the point.. but.. Let Them..

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Northermcharn · 09/05/2026 20:05

TemperanceWest · 09/05/2026 20:00

There have been some nutty threads in the last few days but this is the crème de la crème!

Of course it is for you.. but.. it's not all about you is it? There are many more people in the country.. Did you realise?

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OneTealShaker · 09/05/2026 20:05

SapphOhNo · 09/05/2026 19:59

They imposed austerity, the biggest sustained cuts to public spending since WW2.

They delivered the hardest form of Brexit, which the OBR says will reduce long-run productivity by around 4%. They cut corporation tax, attacked trade unions, privatised/outsourced public services, froze benefits, and spent years promising lower taxes and lower immigration.

That isn’t left-wing government. That’s right-wing government that failed.

High tax now isn’t proof they were left-wing it’s proof their model didn’t generate enough growth to pay for the country they were running.

Wrong, false, factually incorrect.

What austerity. The Tories left office with public spending at the highest levels of share of GDP - ever. Record breaking public spending. No government in history had spent more in public services. Fact.

They left corporation tax at one of the highest in the developed world. Double our neighbour, Ireland and higher than many other European economies. Fact.

Benefits have never been higher. And the % of people getting them has never been higher. The Tories left the largest welfare bill in history. Fact.

Immigration had never been higher. The Tories broke all records when it comes to immigration. Fact.

You really need to work on your baseline knowledge. As I say, repeating soundbites doesn’t help.

JazzyJelly · 09/05/2026 20:04

OneTealShaker · 09/05/2026 19:38

If Brown is the answer, Labour are asking the wrong question.

Maybe, but I for one would welcome a back to basics Labour Party, focussing on the NHS, education, and improving the lot of those worst off. If they know what a woman is.

ByKindNavySwan · 09/05/2026 20:03

SlumChum · 09/05/2026 18:44

They haven't called you names, but they've called plenty of other people names.

15 Reform councillors have been suspended including:

Lynn Dean (Staffordshire) for saying Black people were less intelligent than White people.

Tom Pickup (Lancashire) who called for a genocide of Muslim people

Robert Bloom (North Northamptonshire) who used racial slurs against a Black constituent

No to mention the recently elected one who's been outed as a Holocaust denier.

LatterHorn · 09/05/2026 20:01

Northermcharn · 09/05/2026 19:57

Reform types, hilarious. So blinkered. I guess that is why Labour are where they are. Well. One of the reasons.

Give me some better shorthand for the types starting these endless threads? Saying ‘Reform supporters’ or ‘voters’ could well be inaccurate. So ‘types’ is more generic and vague I think? Do you prefer ‘right wing’? I can use that then.

And they always assume people who challenge them are Labour votes too. Very basic of thinking.

HRTQueen · 09/05/2026 20:01

A leader of a party is given £5 million pounds pays no tax in this

£5 million it’s absolutely mind blowing that this isn’t be questioned more

but back to your question op few people will think this is cool is they are being totally honest

TemperanceWest · 09/05/2026 20:00

There have been some nutty threads in the last few days but this is the crème de la crème!

Crikeyalmighty · 09/05/2026 20:00

OneTealShaker · 09/05/2026 19:33

No one disagrees with healthcare, workers’ rights, state education. It’s disingenuous to make out that the right is against these things.

But there has to be a limit to the extent of these and rights need to be balanced with responsibilities.

NHS is a national health service, not an international one. The right is not racist for insisting that medical tourism should not be tolerated.

The right is not unreasonable to insisting that employment legislation that actually leads to higher unemployment is stupidity and self harm. Of course a baseline of rights is essential. What good is further legislation if it actually leads to a weaker economy and more people losing their jobs. You can’t eat workers rights or use them to keep you warm in the winter.

State education is a good thing, but why penalized private education. If anything, private education takes the burden off the state system. It is politics of envy and frankly small minded to try and penalize this stuff rather than driving the economy forward so everyone has more.

Why is the left all about small minded, bitterness? And hatred of people who no power all the free things they want.

I don’t disagree about rights and responsibilities, however your comment about not being able to eat workers rights or use them to keep you warm - hmm I could just as easily apply this to many workers who lost their jobs due to the rights obsession with Brexit and ‘sovereignity ’ -that doesn’t pay bills either -

SapphOhNo · 09/05/2026 19:59

OneTealShaker · 09/05/2026 19:56

The conservatives haven’t been right of centre since 1997. They’ve moved further to the left. You might want to apply some critical thinking to your argument. Rather than continually repeating what you hear in the mainstream.

Proof?

Highest taxation ever (until Labour took over and broke that dismal record).
Poor productivity
Highest ever immigration
Stagnant economy
Eroding women’s rights in the name of trans and other woke ideology
Destroying the country’s defence capability
Highest ever public spending as a share of GDP
Highest levels of welfare spending
Largest and most unproductive civil service

Again, look at results and outcomes, rather than blindly following identity and labels.

The further left our governments have gone, the worse and poorer the country has become. Fact.

Labelling the conservatives (1997-current) as right wing is like calling a polar bear vegetarian.

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They imposed austerity, the biggest sustained cuts to public spending since WW2.

They delivered the hardest form of Brexit, which the OBR says will reduce long-run productivity by around 4%. They cut corporation tax, attacked trade unions, privatised/outsourced public services, froze benefits, and spent years promising lower taxes and lower immigration.

That isn’t left-wing government. That’s right-wing government that failed.

High tax now isn’t proof they were left-wing it’s proof their model didn’t generate enough growth to pay for the country they were running.

TemperanceWest · 09/05/2026 19:58

Northermcharn · 09/05/2026 19:55

The labour party are not the party of Bevan and co any more, sadly. They are a judgmental misogynistic homophobic bigoted racist anti semitic horror show, so yep they're more right than the conservatives.

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Sarcastic Charlie And The Chocolate Factory GIF
Northermcharn · 09/05/2026 19:57

LatterHorn · 09/05/2026 19:53

Constant threads started by reform types whining and complaining about the Left. Snivelling and shaming the Left. They can’t see the irony!

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Reform types, hilarious. So blinkered. I guess that is why Labour are where they are. Well. One of the reasons.

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OneTealShaker · 09/05/2026 19:56

SapphOhNo · 09/05/2026 19:50

“Everything I disagree with is leftist ideology” isn’t really an argument though.

The UK’s had mainly Conservative governments for the last 14 years. So if unemployment, stagnation, weak growth, crumbling public services and low investment are all supposedly proof that “leftist economics fail”, who exactly has been running the country?

And pointing out that workers’ rights didn’t destroy the economy isn’t a “soundbite”, it’s just history

The conservatives haven’t been right of centre since 1997. They’ve moved further to the left. You might want to apply some critical thinking to your argument. Rather than continually repeating what you hear in the mainstream.

Proof?

Highest taxation ever (until Labour took over and broke that dismal record).
Poor productivity
Highest ever immigration
Stagnant economy
Eroding women’s rights in the name of trans and other woke ideology
Destroying the country’s defence capability
Highest ever public spending as a share of GDP
Highest levels of welfare spending
Largest and most unproductive civil service

Again, look at results and outcomes, rather than blindly following identity and labels.

The further left our governments have gone, the worse and poorer the country has become. Fact.

Labelling the conservatives (1997-current) as right wing is like calling a polar bear vegetarian.

MrsOni · 09/05/2026 19:55

Agrumpyknitter · 09/05/2026 19:45

Nigel Farage is part of the establishment and has always been so. It’s why he has so much media support. It’s beyond me why working class people think a privately educated former banker has their best interests at heart.

Look at Farage’s voting record he always votes against strengthening worker rights. He’s complained that the minimum wage is too high for youngsters. The cognitive dissonance from
the right is astounding.

Exactly right.

Anyone who thinks Farage is some sort of anti-establishment hero is so badly mistaken it's funny.

Farage doesn't give a fuck about anyone but himself. Anyone who has ever taken a passing interest in politics should know that.

Northermcharn · 09/05/2026 19:55

TemperanceWest · 09/05/2026 19:52

Since the left wing side of politics morphed into an unrecognisable judgmental horror show, and indeed moved so far left they're the old right

So you are not talking about the Labour Party @Northermcharn ?

The labour party are not the party of Bevan and co any more, sadly. They are a judgmental misogynistic homophobic bigoted racist anti semitic horror show, so yep they're more right than the conservatives.

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Crikeyalmighty · 09/05/2026 19:54

Northermcharn · 09/05/2026 19:37

Who is a Farage disciple?

is that you Kemi?

LatterHorn · 09/05/2026 19:53

Northermcharn · 09/05/2026 18:56

So so so typical. I think you'll find the bit I highlighted is the most important aspect of the quote, but it needed context. Obviously you and others like you go to this bit - par for the course, and again, brilliantly demonstrating the point. You couldn't make it up/ Oh yes, you could..

'..and the Left became the snivelling self-righteous ones going around shaming everybody'

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Constant threads started by reform types whining and complaining about the Left. Snivelling and shaming the Left. They can’t see the irony!

Northermcharn · 09/05/2026 19:53

RobertaFirmino · 09/05/2026 19:52

You.

HTH xx

Ha ha bless you. I hope your critical thinking improves over time xx

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TemperanceWest · 09/05/2026 19:52

Since the left wing side of politics morphed into an unrecognisable judgmental horror show, and indeed moved so far left they're the old right

So you are not talking about the Labour Party @Northermcharn ?

SapphOhNo · 09/05/2026 19:52

OneTealShaker · 09/05/2026 19:48

Because it’s not background that matters, it’s ideas and convictions.

But then, there’s the problem. The left only cares about identity. Not outcomes. They’d raver cut their nose off to spite their faces. Politics of envy and negativity. How are the working class heroes currently in power doing? Yeah, running the country into the ground.

Now who's giving soundbites...

RobertaFirmino · 09/05/2026 19:52

Northermcharn · 09/05/2026 19:37

Who is a Farage disciple?

You.

HTH xx

SapphOhNo · 09/05/2026 19:50

OneTealShaker · 09/05/2026 19:44

Thanks for proving that you are ideologically driven. For a minute, I thought you might be rational.

You clearly aren’t keeping up with the consequences of leftist economic policy currently. On unemployment, inflation, taxation, economic growth, investment. If you did, you wouldn’t regurgitate tired soundbites and engage in outcomes driven debate.

“Everything I disagree with is leftist ideology” isn’t really an argument though.

The UK’s had mainly Conservative governments for the last 14 years. So if unemployment, stagnation, weak growth, crumbling public services and low investment are all supposedly proof that “leftist economics fail”, who exactly has been running the country?

And pointing out that workers’ rights didn’t destroy the economy isn’t a “soundbite”, it’s just history

Marmalademorning · 09/05/2026 19:49

And you’ve only just noticed this? I whole heartedly agree with you though.

OneTealShaker · 09/05/2026 19:48

Agrumpyknitter · 09/05/2026 19:45

Nigel Farage is part of the establishment and has always been so. It’s why he has so much media support. It’s beyond me why working class people think a privately educated former banker has their best interests at heart.

Look at Farage’s voting record he always votes against strengthening worker rights. He’s complained that the minimum wage is too high for youngsters. The cognitive dissonance from
the right is astounding.

Because it’s not background that matters, it’s ideas and convictions.

But then, there’s the problem. The left only cares about identity. Not outcomes. They’d raver cut their nose off to spite their faces. Politics of envy and negativity. How are the working class heroes currently in power doing? Yeah, running the country into the ground.

MyTrivia · 09/05/2026 19:48

🙄🙄

Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · 09/05/2026 19:47

AStonedRose · 09/05/2026 18:36

National Minimum Wage
Sure Start centres
Scottish Parliament creation
Good Friday Agreement
Civil partnerships legalisation
Tax credits expansion
NHS spending increases

All of that was the Blair government, which the Left now say are Right wing. They were Centre Left. If you look at the Left of Labour, the Greens, Your Party etc, who are the Left they despise Blair and are embarrassed by New Labour. By far the most successful Labour government in 70 years.The Hard Left and the Hard Right are as batshit as each other.