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What would you do about immigration?

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stateofthem · 07/05/2026 12:59

I’ve seen an awful lot of political posts here recently, generally displeased with labour (other policies are for a separate thread) and taking hard stances on immigration.

I often feel as though people have a very blinkered view on immigration which does sway the argument. It seems to be either “let everyone in” or “let no one in” as such.

One point I wish to make is that currently you must be in the UK to be able to make an asylum claim. This (in my opinion) is the biggest factor in small boats/mass migration.

If I were in charge I would propose the following:

Re-implement the ability to seek asylum from abroad via one safe legal channel. Enforce that applications must be made via this route (obviously with concessions for no internet, poor English etc).

Applications are reviewed on a case by case basis, and if rejected, a person is placed onto a register explaining the reason for rejection (and possibly a timescale of when they could reapply).

Anyone who does not follow this channel is returned to their country of origin.

Anyone who arrives having not followed this policy is returned to their country of origin.

I appreciate that the above would need a lot of work and investment, and it’s not quite as straightforward as how I set it out, but I feel as if it’s a reasonable response which allows some migrants but not uncontrolled.

at the moment it feels as though both sides of the coin are offering very extreme solutions either way, and I feel as though someone needs to offer a more reasonable and middle way approach.

I am interested to hear others opinions on this, and if you disagree, what would you do instead?

OP posts:
Totaldramallama · 07/05/2026 16:22

ReallyOtter · 07/05/2026 14:08

I cannot understand why people would welcome Afghan women only if the women abandon their sons, husbands, lovers, and male elders. It is a whole new oppression to strip someone of their family.

Because allowing lots of men in to the country presents a whole loads of problems. Problems that the ignorant and stupid use to tarnish all immigrants with the same brush.

I would support a system that was safe and easier for women with children from counties such as Afghanistan to seek asylum.

We don't need lots of unskilled undocumented men

Lavender14 · 07/05/2026 16:21

Whyarepeople · 07/05/2026 16:19

I also think it's hilarious that people from the UK - a country that has invaded and destroyed so many other countries - are complaining about immigrants.

It's so so stupid.

All of this. Equally we do not do nearly enough re:sustainability and environmental impact here. "We" don't want refugees and yet we do relatively little to offset our envious impact which is very close to creating significant numbers of environmental refugees.

Whyarepeople · 07/05/2026 16:19

I also think it's hilarious that people from the UK - a country that has invaded and destroyed so many other countries - are complaining about immigrants.

It's so so stupid.

viques · 07/05/2026 16:18

MidnightMeltdown · 07/05/2026 13:46

Have a look at what other more successful countries like Australia do. Turn back boats, off shore processing, not allowing them to stay on the mainland etc.

I think there are quite a few differences in accessibility to Australia’s borders than to the UK!

Whyarepeople · 07/05/2026 16:16

My serious answer: I'd start building a very smooth, robust, well-funded immigration system and send the word out very strongly that Britain is very keen to have as many immigrants as possible. In 20ish years countries will be (probably literally) fighting over young people - it's worth getting ahead of the rush now and get them in while they're available, then train them up and encourage them to stay and have families.

My unserious answer: I'd take every person who says they don't want any asylum seekers out of their homes in the middle of the night, airlift them to a remote location and tell them they are no longer welcome in their home town due to some infraction, then see how long it takes them to complain to authorities and try to get help. Every time they look for help, tell them no one wants them, they're complaining about nothing, go somewhere else. It's the only way to teach morons like that the reality of what so many people face and to remind them it is only through sheer luck that they are not currently wandering across a wartorn wasteland wondering how they're going to survive.

tiptoethrutulips · 07/05/2026 16:16

I would make it easier for UK citizens who are legally and legitimately married to non-UK citizens to live in the UK if that's where they choose to live. The income requirements are beyond appalling and cause undue hardship.

houseofisms · 07/05/2026 16:07

How do you return people to their country of origin if they have no id and “can’t remember” where they came from?

Winteriscoming80 · 07/05/2026 16:06

EarthlyNightshade · 07/05/2026 15:10

Have you got stats to back up that most do not work? Do you mean after asylum is granted?

1.69 million migrants don’t work a further
1.5 million claim uc
then their are illegal migrants that we pay for.

Lavender14 · 07/05/2026 16:05

Meadowfinch · 07/05/2026 16:01

Then perhaps they will take that into account and not commit those crimes in the first place!

We know statistically that's not how crime works.

Lavender14 · 07/05/2026 16:04

6AccomplishedWomen · 07/05/2026 15:44

Even women who left due to oppression face racism and rejection in thr UK, it's a myth that an Afghan woman on her own will be more welcomed, even if she was 'westernized', spoke English, left Islam and works there is still a sentiment that she shouldn't be in the UK because someone British could have done her job and she is accessing healthcare for free, her asylum case costed money and she should have stayed and tried to change her country. The racism and inacceptance remains always by contrast see how white Ukranians are treated. Nothing you could do would change the racism cloaked as immigration concerns they are only concerned when you are brown that is the bottom line and it makes me feel incredibly disappointed when I see or read mixed or brown people stand with Reform and Restore and talk about anti immigration, like a poster above said refugee status should be temporary and those having kids here, meanwhile it was alright for her refugee grandmother to settle here. It's like they don't realise they too are included in the racism they think they are another tier or different but it's all part of a plan and they could well be the next targeted group like how the conversation was about illegals, but then legals too.. refugee Afghan bad, refugee Ukranian good... it's all deeply dehumanising and disgusting.

There's massive work to be done across the UK on addressing racism. It's like a bubbling under current in the UK too because people don't talk as openly about it although I think the recent debates about immigration, brexit and the fact people in general are feeling more squeezed is bringing the ugly head much more to the fore. The fact our political parties have been quite happy to use the media to scapegoat minority groups in the UK and divert attention to their hand in the under cutting of public resources is also a big driving force.

Meadowfinch · 07/05/2026 16:01

6AccomplishedWomen · 07/05/2026 15:56

Well that's stupid because you could well be sending them back to get murdered or tortured which is disproportionate.

Honestly the stupidity in the comments here no wonder Farage is running rings on you lot.

Then perhaps they will take that into account and not commit those crimes in the first place!

Lavender14 · 07/05/2026 15:59

Meadowfinch · 07/05/2026 15:53

I'd ensure that any immigrant convicted of a violent or sexual offence, or any offence attracting a custodial sentence of more than 12 months would be deported and ILR cancelled. No negotiation, no delays.

Would you be in favour of capital punishment/ death or torture for any white brits convicted of any offence attracting a custodial sentence? If not why not since you think it's a fair consequence for people who have immigrated here?

6AccomplishedWomen · 07/05/2026 15:56

Meadowfinch · 07/05/2026 15:53

I'd ensure that any immigrant convicted of a violent or sexual offence, or any offence attracting a custodial sentence of more than 12 months would be deported and ILR cancelled. No negotiation, no delays.

Well that's stupid because you could well be sending them back to get murdered or tortured which is disproportionate.

Honestly the stupidity in the comments here no wonder Farage is running rings on you lot.

Meadowfinch · 07/05/2026 15:53

I'd ensure that any immigrant convicted of a violent or sexual offence, or any offence attracting a custodial sentence of more than 12 months would be deported and ILR cancelled. No negotiation, no delays.

angelos02 · 07/05/2026 15:52

How many Afghan women would you let in? There are around 20 million.

Blimms · 07/05/2026 15:51

angelos02 · 07/05/2026 15:43

How many people would you allow in? I have never heard anyone give an actual figure? 500k a year? 1million? 10million? Bearing in mind that we have a housing crisis, corridor care in hospitals and millions of people here that are living in poverty.

Which people are you asking me about? My comment was specifically about Afghan women.

Dervel · 07/05/2026 15:49

First things first we have to differentiate between refugees and economic migrants. Now we aren’t likely to get many according to the rules as in refugees are supposed to seek asylum in the nearest safe country. So we need to lead the way in terms of getting people stuck in camps and situations like that over here and someplace safe. Data indicates refugees will usually seek to return home once whatever crisis exists from their origin abates. The fact that refugees and migrants are lumped in the same box is unhelpful. I am personally okay with as the 7th wealthiest nation globally shouldering a bit more than others.

I think there is a case to be made for a comprehensive citizenship test for those that wish to move here. They need to be fluent in English (and or Welsh). I’m less bothered about just hoovering up the best and brightest from around the world and more so people who feel a cultural compatibility with us and would seek to become British overtime.

I’d also like a three tiered system with commonwealth countries given an easier time of emigrating here followed by any non commonwealth ex-colony of ours. These nations and their ancestors are partially responsible for why we rank so highly as a modern nation and fairs fair they should be able to participate in that success and opportunity now.

We have to pursue ruthlessly any human traffickers. Given there are people trafficked and dismantle any criminal networks particularly the elements of any organisations that operate domestically. Trafficked victims who are discovered should be offered temporary residency and support and a pathway to stay if they so wish.

An awful lot of these things are not things we can just enact on our own. They are going to require careful diplomacy and working with ally nations to make any headway. I think the nonsense about Brexit being good for reducing immigration needs to be put front and center in any discussions as our exiting the EU made it harder not easier to co-ordinate our borders effectively.

I think where possible we should keep reviewing infrastructure requirements and adjust overtime so we need more doctors and nurses? It should be easier to plug gaps in what we need. I don’t want to lose a social safety net. However we need a complete retooling of the benefits system as there are now generational patterns of people languishing on benefits, and classifying them all as workshy chancers there has been a learned helplessness that’s been inculcated in some communities that just some sort of draconian economic policy isn’t going to shift.

I’d also like to ensure broadly even figures between men and women settling here as upending the population balance even by a minor amount has social issues downstream.

Dervel · 07/05/2026 15:49

First things first we have to differentiate between refugees and economic migrants. Now we aren’t likely to get many according to the rules as in refugees are supposed to seek asylum in the nearest safe country. So we need to lead the way in terms of getting people stuck in camps and situations like that over here and someplace safe. Data indicates refugees will usually seek to return home once whatever crisis exists from their origin abates. The fact that refugees and migrants are lumped in the same box is unhelpful. I am personally okay with as the 7th wealthiest nation globally shouldering a bit more than others.

I think there is a case to be made for a comprehensive citizenship test for those that wish to move here. They need to be fluent in English (and or Welsh). I’m less bothered about just hoovering up the best and brightest from around the world and more so people who feel a cultural compatibility with us and would seek to become British overtime.

I’d also like a three tiered system with commonwealth countries given an easier time of emigrating here followed by any non commonwealth ex-colony of ours. These nations and their ancestors are partially responsible for why we rank so highly as a modern nation and fairs fair they should be able to participate in that success and opportunity now.

We have to pursue ruthlessly any human traffickers. Given there are people trafficked and dismantle any criminal networks particularly the elements of any organisations that operate domestically. Trafficked victims who are discovered should be offered temporary residency and support and a pathway to stay if they so wish.

An awful lot of these things are not things we can just enact on our own. They are going to require careful diplomacy and working with ally nations to make any headway. I think the nonsense about Brexit being good for reducing immigration needs to be put front and center in any discussions as our exiting the EU made it harder not easier to co-ordinate our borders effectively.

I think where possible we should keep reviewing infrastructure requirements and adjust overtime so we need more doctors and nurses? It should be easier to plug gaps in what we need. I don’t want to lose a social safety net. However we need a complete retooling of the benefits system as there are now generational patterns of people languishing on benefits, and classifying them all as workshy chancers there has been a learned helplessness that’s been inculcated in some communities that just some sort of draconian economic policy isn’t going to shift.

I’d also like to ensure broadly even figures between men and women settling here as upending the population balance even by a minor amount has social issues downstream.

Dervel · 07/05/2026 15:49

First things first we have to differentiate between refugees and economic migrants. Now we aren’t likely to get many according to the rules as in refugees are supposed to seek asylum in the nearest safe country. So we need to lead the way in terms of getting people stuck in camps and situations like that over here and someplace safe. Data indicates refugees will usually seek to return home once whatever crisis exists from their origin abates. The fact that refugees and migrants are lumped in the same box is unhelpful. I am personally okay with as the 7th wealthiest nation globally shouldering a bit more than others.

I think there is a case to be made for a comprehensive citizenship test for those that wish to move here. They need to be fluent in English (and or Welsh). I’m less bothered about just hoovering up the best and brightest from around the world and more so people who feel a cultural compatibility with us and would seek to become British overtime.

I’d also like a three tiered system with commonwealth countries given an easier time of emigrating here followed by any non commonwealth ex-colony of ours. These nations and their ancestors are partially responsible for why we rank so highly as a modern nation and fairs fair they should be able to participate in that success and opportunity now.

We have to pursue ruthlessly any human traffickers. Given there are people trafficked and dismantle any criminal networks particularly the elements of any organisations that operate domestically. Trafficked victims who are discovered should be offered temporary residency and support and a pathway to stay if they so wish.

An awful lot of these things are not things we can just enact on our own. They are going to require careful diplomacy and working with ally nations to make any headway. I think the nonsense about Brexit being good for reducing immigration needs to be put front and center in any discussions as our exiting the EU made it harder not easier to co-ordinate our borders effectively.

I think where possible we should keep reviewing infrastructure requirements and adjust overtime so we need more doctors and nurses? It should be easier to plug gaps in what we need. I don’t want to lose a social safety net. However we need a complete retooling of the benefits system as there are now generational patterns of people languishing on benefits, and classifying them all as workshy chancers there has been a learned helplessness that’s been inculcated in some communities that just some sort of draconian economic policy isn’t going to shift.

I’d also like to ensure broadly even figures between men and women settling here as upending the population balance even by a minor amount has social issues downstream.

6AccomplishedWomen · 07/05/2026 15:47

@coulditbeme2323 we don't want you either but alas we're stuck innit

6AccomplishedWomen · 07/05/2026 15:44

Even women who left due to oppression face racism and rejection in thr UK, it's a myth that an Afghan woman on her own will be more welcomed, even if she was 'westernized', spoke English, left Islam and works there is still a sentiment that she shouldn't be in the UK because someone British could have done her job and she is accessing healthcare for free, her asylum case costed money and she should have stayed and tried to change her country. The racism and inacceptance remains always by contrast see how white Ukranians are treated. Nothing you could do would change the racism cloaked as immigration concerns they are only concerned when you are brown that is the bottom line and it makes me feel incredibly disappointed when I see or read mixed or brown people stand with Reform and Restore and talk about anti immigration, like a poster above said refugee status should be temporary and those having kids here, meanwhile it was alright for her refugee grandmother to settle here. It's like they don't realise they too are included in the racism they think they are another tier or different but it's all part of a plan and they could well be the next targeted group like how the conversation was about illegals, but then legals too.. refugee Afghan bad, refugee Ukranian good... it's all deeply dehumanising and disgusting.

angelos02 · 07/05/2026 15:43

Blimms · 07/05/2026 15:41

Anyone who can look at the suffering and oppression of Afghan women and say that “we don’t want them” is not somebody whose opinion I would value.

How many people would you allow in? I have never heard anyone give an actual figure? 500k a year? 1million? 10million? Bearing in mind that we have a housing crisis, corridor care in hospitals and millions of people here that are living in poverty.

Blimms · 07/05/2026 15:41

coulditbeme2323 · 07/05/2026 14:09

We don't want them women or otherwise.

Anyone who can look at the suffering and oppression of Afghan women and say that “we don’t want them” is not somebody whose opinion I would value.

SunnyRedSnail · 07/05/2026 15:29

Anyahyacinth · 07/05/2026 15:13

It’s the same here language tests and proof of ability to support self i.e. money in the bank

Where are you getting your info from?!?!

A local restaurant in my area was recently caught employing several illegal immigrants. It happens all the time. If it didn't, they wouldn't come here.

I've lived all over the UK but in one area, my first rented house was in a street where at least a third of my neighbours were stay at home mums and didn't speak a word of English. They came to the UK via arranged marriages. Their kids then learned English once they started school.

I lived in France for a while and learned French. It's incredibly rude to make no effort to learn the language of the country you live in!

ginasevern · 07/05/2026 15:25

@Sophiehoney "I'd make it safer and easier, that's what I'd do. All welcome, it's a free world. Borders are imaginary lines"

Have you told the rest of the world that? Because most of them won't agree with you, from China to Greece to Pakistan and Fiji. Whilst your vision is borne of benevolence, it is currently untenable. Even philanthropy has to have a proper structure in order to benefit those in need whilst sustaining infrastructure, health care, education and security for everyone. If you want a world without borders you need to formulate that structure. Who will govern and who will choose those governing bodies for example?