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What would you do about immigration?

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stateofthem · 07/05/2026 12:59

I’ve seen an awful lot of political posts here recently, generally displeased with labour (other policies are for a separate thread) and taking hard stances on immigration.

I often feel as though people have a very blinkered view on immigration which does sway the argument. It seems to be either “let everyone in” or “let no one in” as such.

One point I wish to make is that currently you must be in the UK to be able to make an asylum claim. This (in my opinion) is the biggest factor in small boats/mass migration.

If I were in charge I would propose the following:

Re-implement the ability to seek asylum from abroad via one safe legal channel. Enforce that applications must be made via this route (obviously with concessions for no internet, poor English etc).

Applications are reviewed on a case by case basis, and if rejected, a person is placed onto a register explaining the reason for rejection (and possibly a timescale of when they could reapply).

Anyone who does not follow this channel is returned to their country of origin.

Anyone who arrives having not followed this policy is returned to their country of origin.

I appreciate that the above would need a lot of work and investment, and it’s not quite as straightforward as how I set it out, but I feel as if it’s a reasonable response which allows some migrants but not uncontrolled.

at the moment it feels as though both sides of the coin are offering very extreme solutions either way, and I feel as though someone needs to offer a more reasonable and middle way approach.

I am interested to hear others opinions on this, and if you disagree, what would you do instead?

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annuhurmi · 10/09/2026 18:20

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EasternStandard · 10/05/2026 10:22

MoreDetermined · 09/05/2026 21:56

Changes in legislation need to be passed by the House of Lords, often a difficult path.

If it’s in the manifesto it’s much easier, that just takes votes.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 10/05/2026 10:18

MoreDetermined · 09/05/2026 21:56

Changes in legislation need to be passed by the House of Lords, often a difficult path.

Yes I realise that.

It will be interesting to see what effect it has on KS’s desire to abolish the HoL.

5MinuteArgument · 10/05/2026 10:12

MoreDetermined · 09/05/2026 21:56

Changes in legislation need to be passed by the House of Lords, often a difficult path.

Yes, HOL are another of the vested interests preventing the UK from having an immigration policy that's fit for purpose.

Along with employers, landlords, lawyers, liberal left media, criminals and politicians looking to import the next generation of voters and suck up to growing sectarianism.

MoreDetermined · 09/05/2026 21:56

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 09/05/2026 10:32

How about we create one?

We talk to Australia and see how they do it. It’s not that deep. It just requires the political will and may require ditching the ECHR which has been weaponised against us.

We’ve got a perfectly standard Human Rights Act of our own.

Changes in legislation need to be passed by the House of Lords, often a difficult path.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 09/05/2026 17:28

Owninterpreter · 09/05/2026 14:41

They want to repeal the human rights act and the equalities act..

They say they will replace it with a british bill of right.

Im not sure whats in older stuff like the magna carta though

Well if they are being used against the best interests of the majority of British people then a total overhaul is needed. We have the House of Lords to keep the necessary human rights provisions on track. Unless Starmer gets rid.

Misshapenbowl · 09/05/2026 16:27

Lifeomars · 08/05/2026 15:40

The only person who would buy my house would be another dodgy landlord at a reduced price as the area has now got such a bad reputation. It breaks my heart, I worked so hard as a single parent to buy and renovate my little house. As you say we need to address the "all immigration is good", the culture which has now become very prevelant in my area have as my other (immigrant) neighbour put it " no respect and no standards" . Thank goodness my other neighbours are good kind friendly people.

I feel your pain. If I sell my house it will definitely be bought my a landlord and turned into a HMO which will add more misery to the neighbourhood.

CricketOTR · 09/05/2026 15:21

Lavender14 · 09/05/2026 13:51

Agreed. We know reform policies actively go against womens access to healthcare, and any protection against unfair dismissal or zero hours contracts. They don't give a hoot about the working man they just want more power off the working man's back.

Do you have a link to those policies?

Owninterpreter · 09/05/2026 14:41

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 09/05/2026 14:06

We have an existing Human Rights law.

I haven’t seen any proposal to change that from Reform. Have you?

They want to repeal the human rights act and the equalities act..

They say they will replace it with a british bill of right.

Im not sure whats in older stuff like the magna carta though

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 09/05/2026 14:06

TheSmallAssassin · 09/05/2026 11:27

Given the current rhetoric, I don't think I would trust that all the rights that we currently have would be reinstated.

We have an existing Human Rights law.

I haven’t seen any proposal to change that from Reform. Have you?

Lavender14 · 09/05/2026 13:51

TheSmallAssassin · 09/05/2026 11:27

Given the current rhetoric, I don't think I would trust that all the rights that we currently have would be reinstated.

Agreed. We know reform policies actively go against womens access to healthcare, and any protection against unfair dismissal or zero hours contracts. They don't give a hoot about the working man they just want more power off the working man's back.

TheSmallAssassin · 09/05/2026 11:27

OneTealShaker · 07/05/2026 13:19

Yes never mind the vulnerability of the woman who was raped and other victims of crime while their perpetrators get to stick two fingers up at the them thanks to the ECHR.

And who says that without ECHR, our human rights would disappear overnight. ECHR did not invent human rights rights. We have a parliament. A legislature that can put laws on the statute books voted by our representatives. You know those Poole that we vote for. Pesky democracy.

Given the current rhetoric, I don't think I would trust that all the rights that we currently have would be reinstated.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 09/05/2026 11:23

5MinuteArgument · 09/05/2026 11:05

Yes, it may have been this comment, along with other dubious assertions that dampened down some support for Greens. Polanski showed contempt for immigrants, reducing them to bum-wipers, and a heartless attitude to people receiving care, reducing them to bums. He really showed his true colours.

Yes. He strikes me as one of those rather sad perpetual students who don’t want to leave university and enter the real world. He’s an opportunist and a talker but not very bright. also a deeply unpleasant man.

He and Hannah Spencer both have an ’emptiness’ about them that I can’t quite put my finger on. Maybe it’s a moral vacuum?

5MinuteArgument · 09/05/2026 11:11

Jc2001 · 09/05/2026 09:52

Anyone who does not follow this channel is returned to their country of origin.

Anyone who arrives having not followed this policy is returned to their country of origin.

And how would you propose you do that when there is no international legal framework in place to do so? It's the sort meaningless BS that Nigel Farage comes out with along with 'stop the boats' and 'protect our borders'.

Edited

There are several successful models that the UK could adopt to manage who enters our country. Australia and Denmark are managing this perfectly well.

All the obstacles thrown in the way of setting up a fair and sensible system are just more gaslighting and people have had enough of it. It can be done if there is the political will to do it.

5MinuteArgument · 09/05/2026 11:05

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 09/05/2026 10:27

That reminds of Zack Polanski, leader of the Green Party’s quip about wiping bums:

On a December 2025 episode of BBC Question Time, Green Party leader Zack Polanski said, "I don't know about you, but I don't particularly want to wipe someone's bum". He made this comment while discussing the reliance on foreign nationals in the social care sector.

What a charming view he has of the immigrants he wishes to bring in in their millions.

Is he aiming for everyone to have their own personal ‘bum wiper’ per chance? *

*for the avoidance of doubt I am making a joke which highlights the eye wateringly horrendous comment from Dave which by no means reflects my views as, unlike Dave, I recognise that immigrants are human beings with a range of skills and aspirations and while I wish for firm controls in numbers and to exclude the criminal or those with anti West views/clashing cultures, I don’t see them all as ‘bum wipers’.

I think Dave has found himself promoted waaayy beyond his level of incompetence.

Yes, it may have been this comment, along with other dubious assertions that dampened down some support for Greens. Polanski showed contempt for immigrants, reducing them to bum-wipers, and a heartless attitude to people receiving care, reducing them to bums. He really showed his true colours.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 09/05/2026 10:32

Jc2001 · 09/05/2026 09:52

Anyone who does not follow this channel is returned to their country of origin.

Anyone who arrives having not followed this policy is returned to their country of origin.

And how would you propose you do that when there is no international legal framework in place to do so? It's the sort meaningless BS that Nigel Farage comes out with along with 'stop the boats' and 'protect our borders'.

Edited

How about we create one?

We talk to Australia and see how they do it. It’s not that deep. It just requires the political will and may require ditching the ECHR which has been weaponised against us.

We’ve got a perfectly standard Human Rights Act of our own.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 09/05/2026 10:27

5MinuteArgument · 09/05/2026 00:01

Agreed, very well explained.

It's always puzzled me why people on the left are so pro-immigration when so much of it (not all) is about keeping wages low.

That reminds of Zack Polanski, leader of the Green Party’s quip about wiping bums:

On a December 2025 episode of BBC Question Time, Green Party leader Zack Polanski said, "I don't know about you, but I don't particularly want to wipe someone's bum". He made this comment while discussing the reliance on foreign nationals in the social care sector.

What a charming view he has of the immigrants he wishes to bring in in their millions.

Is he aiming for everyone to have their own personal ‘bum wiper’ per chance? *

*for the avoidance of doubt I am making a joke which highlights the eye wateringly horrendous comment from Dave which by no means reflects my views as, unlike Dave, I recognise that immigrants are human beings with a range of skills and aspirations and while I wish for firm controls in numbers and to exclude the criminal or those with anti West views/clashing cultures, I don’t see them all as ‘bum wipers’.

I think Dave has found himself promoted waaayy beyond his level of incompetence.

Jc2001 · 09/05/2026 09:52

stateofthem · 07/05/2026 12:59

I’ve seen an awful lot of political posts here recently, generally displeased with labour (other policies are for a separate thread) and taking hard stances on immigration.

I often feel as though people have a very blinkered view on immigration which does sway the argument. It seems to be either “let everyone in” or “let no one in” as such.

One point I wish to make is that currently you must be in the UK to be able to make an asylum claim. This (in my opinion) is the biggest factor in small boats/mass migration.

If I were in charge I would propose the following:

Re-implement the ability to seek asylum from abroad via one safe legal channel. Enforce that applications must be made via this route (obviously with concessions for no internet, poor English etc).

Applications are reviewed on a case by case basis, and if rejected, a person is placed onto a register explaining the reason for rejection (and possibly a timescale of when they could reapply).

Anyone who does not follow this channel is returned to their country of origin.

Anyone who arrives having not followed this policy is returned to their country of origin.

I appreciate that the above would need a lot of work and investment, and it’s not quite as straightforward as how I set it out, but I feel as if it’s a reasonable response which allows some migrants but not uncontrolled.

at the moment it feels as though both sides of the coin are offering very extreme solutions either way, and I feel as though someone needs to offer a more reasonable and middle way approach.

I am interested to hear others opinions on this, and if you disagree, what would you do instead?

Anyone who does not follow this channel is returned to their country of origin.

Anyone who arrives having not followed this policy is returned to their country of origin.

And how would you propose you do that when there is no international legal framework in place to do so? It's the sort meaningless BS that Nigel Farage comes out with along with 'stop the boats' and 'protect our borders'.

5MinuteArgument · 09/05/2026 09:49

bilbohaggins · 09/05/2026 08:32

@Vinividivicii do and i suspect many people who are skeptical about low wage immigration do too. One of the reasons wages are so low is because employers have had a pipeline of low wage labour from elsewhere, so they have no incentive to treat staff well

Agree 100% and yet being in favour of 'no borders' is seen as progressive. Crazy!

bilbohaggins · 09/05/2026 08:32

@Vinividivicii do and i suspect many people who are skeptical about low wage immigration do too. One of the reasons wages are so low is because employers have had a pipeline of low wage labour from elsewhere, so they have no incentive to treat staff well

IDontHateRainbows · 09/05/2026 00:41

houseofisms · 07/05/2026 16:07

How do you return people to their country of origin if they have no id and “can’t remember” where they came from?

A detention center until they do remember.

5MinuteArgument · 09/05/2026 00:01

ToffeeCrabApple · 08/05/2026 23:50

I would create a corporate matched training role scheme.

If an employer claims they can't fill a skilled role and need to recruit overseas, that employer should have to demonstrate they are also creating training roles for locals, to meet the shortages in future and not expecting to buy staff in from abroad.

I would also make skilled worker visas much more expensive. Too many companies will say "there's a shortage of x worker" when really they mean "there's a shortage of x worker at that pay point". I see this all the time in my industry. Post a role at uncompetitive pay, say you can't fill it, hire someone from a country where wages are lower who will take it for less. For companies it's worth the visa costs to keep the wages lower.

Employers need to realise, if a role isn't attracting UK applicants, maybe they need to:

  • change the hours. Its not reasonable to demand 12 hour shifts etc
  • consider whether they are paying competitively for the UK.

NHS training roles should not be open to international applicants until all UK trainee doctors/nurses/other health professionals have got training posts first.

Ban apprenticeship levy etc from paying for high paid senior staff to do mbas and masters & focus on training for young people.

There should be more stringent testing of the number of students coming. Its one thing attracting top talent in useful fields like STEM, another allowing poorly ranked unis to sell expensive low quality masters programs to mediocre students with poor english wanting to use study as a springboard to getting into the UK.

Agreed, very well explained.

It's always puzzled me why people on the left are so pro-immigration when so much of it (not all) is about keeping wages low.

ToffeeCrabApple · 08/05/2026 23:50

I would create a corporate matched training role scheme.

If an employer claims they can't fill a skilled role and need to recruit overseas, that employer should have to demonstrate they are also creating training roles for locals, to meet the shortages in future and not expecting to buy staff in from abroad.

I would also make skilled worker visas much more expensive. Too many companies will say "there's a shortage of x worker" when really they mean "there's a shortage of x worker at that pay point". I see this all the time in my industry. Post a role at uncompetitive pay, say you can't fill it, hire someone from a country where wages are lower who will take it for less. For companies it's worth the visa costs to keep the wages lower.

Employers need to realise, if a role isn't attracting UK applicants, maybe they need to:

  • change the hours. Its not reasonable to demand 12 hour shifts etc
  • consider whether they are paying competitively for the UK.

NHS training roles should not be open to international applicants until all UK trainee doctors/nurses/other health professionals have got training posts first.

Ban apprenticeship levy etc from paying for high paid senior staff to do mbas and masters & focus on training for young people.

There should be more stringent testing of the number of students coming. Its one thing attracting top talent in useful fields like STEM, another allowing poorly ranked unis to sell expensive low quality masters programs to mediocre students with poor english wanting to use study as a springboard to getting into the UK.

5MinuteArgument · 08/05/2026 23:41

Namingbaba · 08/05/2026 23:21

I thought the Denmark model Labour were talking about could be worth trying. It takes time to plan and implement though.

Yes, there are a number of successful models which the UK could adopt. Unfortunately I think the lawyer class have too strong a grasp on immigration. It's no coincidence that our Prime Minister is a human rights lawyer.

However, I hope with Labour losing votes to Reform, it might give them the kick up the arse they need to get it done.

Vinividivici · 08/05/2026 23:36

climbintheback · 08/05/2026 19:37

Every care home should have a subsidised crèche you would have young mums queuing up for a job plus better training on the job - hospitals would also benefit from a crèche and would massively reduce sick leave which would reduce importing care workers also!

So you also support higher costs for workers in caring positions, to cover the subsidised crèche? (I certainly do - but the average taxpayer and anti-immigrant voter doesn't seem to!)