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What happens to kids if AI takes entry level jobs? What you advising them?

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Tffjyvkbh · 23/04/2026 09:56

On back of the worming class boys thread. If AI takes over white collar jobs, what happens to all the m.c. communities. Education and aspiration became a feature post industrialisation once blue collar jobs disappeared and you needed education to get ahead in office jobs. What happens now? My kid is only 6 but already thinking about this.

If AI takes jobs, does education become pointless. How are parents guiding their kids? Looking at parts that lost industries, will parts of South east become like that once office jobs go?

If even Oxbridge and STEM is no longer enough to guarantee a comfortable life, then what for the young people?

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EarthlyNightshade · 23/04/2026 20:04

MistressoftheDarkSide · 23/04/2026 18:03

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2026/apr/23/apprenticeship-penalty-poorer-uk-families-benefits-young-people-quit-training

Been reading this thread with interest, as I'm a card carrying Neo Luddite and have grave reservations about AI for liads of reasons.

Saw this article which I thought might be of interest, given the exhortation to get into trades for young people.

Thing is, the way the global economy is destabilising, largely to do with things like conflicts making prices of essentials go up and down, plus the speed of technological change and things like inequality of opportunity as evidenced by the issues described in the article, we are in for a bumpy ride, and it's nothing like previous "industrial revolution" given that neither typewriters or washing machines could "think" when they were introduced, nor could the first android phones massage our egos via app.

It's the speed, environmental impact, decimation of creativity, the messing with people's heads, increased opportunity for cyber crime, lack of mitigation and safeguards against economic impact, plus reluctance to legislate in these areas that seem to point towards a perfect storm.

They can do an apprenticeship at 18. There is no harm in spending extra time in school/college, they could even get a BTEC qualification to match a potential apprenticeship.

Badbadbunny · 23/04/2026 19:36

Hoppity80 · 23/04/2026 19:02

People saying get a trade have often no idea of what working a trade is like. Back breaking work, early starts and pension or sick pay

Those who are employed rather than self employed WILL be eligible for workplace pensions and sick pay as they're legal requirements. Likewise they'll be protected by the H&S legislation to protect them against unsafe working practices, etc. A decent employer will also provide protective clothing and usually provide lifting equipment for heavy items (or ensure 2 or more people to carry it).

Those who choose to be self employed, whether for domestic homeowners, or as subcontractors for bigger firms on building sites, etc., obviously take their own risks and have to finance their own pensions and sick pay.

The "tradesmen" I've seen working from big firms such as BT, Sky, Virgin, British Gas, National Grid, etc., all seem to be very well versed in H&S protections, all seem to have plenty of protective clothing, and seem to engage in safe working practices reducing the immediate and long term risks to their health.

Karma2023 · 23/04/2026 19:30

Hoppity80 · 23/04/2026 19:02

People saying get a trade have often no idea of what working a trade is like. Back breaking work, early starts and pension or sick pay

Professional companies offer very safe working, indeed no one is allowed to climb a ladder or carry out any work without risk assessments. Construction is a great area to get into but people tend to only have experience of domestic trades, who tend to be self employed which is still a very attractive financial proposition. Most commercial companies have paye workers.

LivingTheDreamish · 23/04/2026 19:28

Young people definitely need to be mindful of this when choosing their career as some jobs will surely die out. In my profession AI is beginning to do the drudge work that newly qualified graduates used to slave over, but human beings are still required to assess and communicate AI's work product. So new human beings will still need to be trained up to take over this role, but hopefully they will be spared the years of drudgery from the "old days" (a good thing surely!).

smallglassbottle · 23/04/2026 19:19

SharpTooth · 23/04/2026 18:43

So how will the robot dentist deal with all the issues real humans bring up? Don’t get me wrong I can absolutely see AI/robots being used as an extra help for many treatments. But how is it dealing with the patient who suddenly starts panicking half way through treatment? Or the one who starts gagging and choking and sometimes actually throws up? The one who jumps and throws their arms up and knocks the equipment. The one who has extreme sensitivity and can’t handle certain treatments. The one who suddenly feels faint and collapses. Or the one who won’t stop bleeding after an extraction. Or the one who examines their teeth for 20 mins after an appointment asking why there’s a minuscule stain on a very back tooth, why is one particular tooth a slightly different colour to the others, why does the gum feel weird on the left, what’s that mark under their tongue, why does that tooth feel rough? It definitely feels rough. It didn’t feel like that when I came in. You need to fix it. And most importantly, the one who has a tiny lesion they hadn’t noticed that is actually early stage oral cancer.

So even if robots are helping with the actual treatment, I really can’t see them being able to deal with the human side of dentistry.

Edited

Same with people who believe robots are going to be caring for the elderly. Not the demented, confused or delirious ones they aren't.

smallglassbottle · 23/04/2026 19:15

Hoppity80 · 23/04/2026 19:02

People saying get a trade have often no idea of what working a trade is like. Back breaking work, early starts and pension or sick pay

Some people are capable of doing this.

Hoppity80 · 23/04/2026 19:02

People saying get a trade have often no idea of what working a trade is like. Back breaking work, early starts and pension or sick pay

SharpTooth · 23/04/2026 18:43

JustAThought8 · 23/04/2026 15:20

There are robot dentist being developed.

Robot surgeon’ fits new teeth for dental patients in China
if no one wants to click the link.

They are also developing sewing robots. I know there's talk of A.I going into medical imaging and being better than human. I don’t know what will happen to overseas countries that are dependent on clothing factories. I think there will be a lot fewer jobs and nothing to really replace them. If everyone goes into a trade and you have 10 plumbers all going for the same job, how much are they likely to get paid, knowing that if they don’t take the job there’s 9 others who need the money?. I worry a about the future. I think in say 25-50 years there will only be a small percent that will have decent living standards. I think a lot of developing countries will be left behind.

So how will the robot dentist deal with all the issues real humans bring up? Don’t get me wrong I can absolutely see AI/robots being used as an extra help for many treatments. But how is it dealing with the patient who suddenly starts panicking half way through treatment? Or the one who starts gagging and choking and sometimes actually throws up? The one who jumps and throws their arms up and knocks the equipment. The one who has extreme sensitivity and can’t handle certain treatments. The one who suddenly feels faint and collapses. Or the one who won’t stop bleeding after an extraction. Or the one who examines their teeth for 20 mins after an appointment asking why there’s a minuscule stain on a very back tooth, why is one particular tooth a slightly different colour to the others, why does the gum feel weird on the left, what’s that mark under their tongue, why does that tooth feel rough? It definitely feels rough. It didn’t feel like that when I came in. You need to fix it. And most importantly, the one who has a tiny lesion they hadn’t noticed that is actually early stage oral cancer.

So even if robots are helping with the actual treatment, I really can’t see them being able to deal with the human side of dentistry.

bootle96 · 23/04/2026 18:42

smallglassbottle · 23/04/2026 17:48

Mine's worked it out for himself that this is what'll happen. He does follow the news and current affairs and has his own brain. I'm helping him by realistically suggesting employment opportunities and training that he may not have traditionally thought about.

The 'horrible people' are those who encourage their children to have unrealistic expectations post education then sit round wringing their hands when it doesn't happen. In my experience, nepotism is rife out there and the ones who walk into cushy jobs as post grads are the ones who have relatives who can 'assist'.

My 15 year old also watches follows the news, he’s aware of the state of the world, everyone should take an interest in current affairs. He has lots of plans. Of course him and his brother will have challenges in life and not all of his plans will work out. But I still think constantly telling your children how hard their life will be is both unkind and counterproductive. I tell my children I believe in them and am excited for their future. Of course I encourage them to think about multiple options, both academic and not. I encourage them to think about moving areas or even countries. DS1 will likely study abroad at some point. It’s not that I think their life will be perfect/easy. I just know a lot of people who are so negative about their children’s future. It makes me sad for those children. Being realistic and prepared is important but that doesn’t have to mean relentless negativity, it is the negativity from parents to their children about the future that I strongly believe is deeply unkind and unhelpful.

MorangoDoNordeste · 23/04/2026 18:40

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 23/04/2026 17:48

I know. It was like every question was an Armageddon cul-de-sac. Even if you are lucky enough to keep your job what the hell is it going to be like out there on the streets if most people are idle and aimless.

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I agree. I don't think having swathes of bored, underoccupied people wandering around is going to be great for the individuals concerned or for society in general. The devil finds work for idle hands and all that...

Catha537 · 23/04/2026 18:30

People often say “new jobs will be created,”.
I live in a small town in the North East, and it’s hard to believe that if local jobs disappear, equivalent new ones will suddenly appear here. More likely, many people will be expected to move to larger cities, leaving smaller towns further behind.

The Industrial Revolution brought progress, but also years of misery and displacement for the working classes . The computer age did the same in many offices replacing large numbers of clerical and data-entry roles jobs largely done by women. AI is on a massive scale and it is also moving very fast.

That’s why I’m sceptical when people casually promise AI will all work out and it seems that a lot of these people are older and to honest don’t have to worry as much about it.

I’m especially concerned about women, who are heavily represented in many administrative and service jobs now exposed to AI. If those roles disappear , and trades remain male-dominated, we completely risk turning the clock backwards on women’s economic independence.

JulietteHasAGun · 23/04/2026 18:06

ValueofNothing · 23/04/2026 18:00

Time for Universal Basic Income.

I have never been pro UBI until now. But if AI is taking jobs, then surely it should be to allow humans to work a bit less, to job share and to have more leisure time, not to sink into poverty. AI should be used for the benefit of humanity's wellbeing and not to make a few extremely rich men even richer.

I mean we all know which way this will go. And it's pointless to imagine that the powers that be will give a crap about the younger generation when they never have before. But UBI would be fairer than losing a generation to misery and unemployment.

how will the government afford it? There won’t be enough working people paying tax. The companies saving money aren’t going to willingly fund it.

what level do you think it’ll be set at? Enough for people to have a nice lifestyle? Hobbies and holidays? Or a pittance like universal credit where you’re struggling to eat. I’d take a guess at the latter.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 23/04/2026 18:03

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2026/apr/23/apprenticeship-penalty-poorer-uk-families-benefits-young-people-quit-training

Been reading this thread with interest, as I'm a card carrying Neo Luddite and have grave reservations about AI for liads of reasons.

Saw this article which I thought might be of interest, given the exhortation to get into trades for young people.

Thing is, the way the global economy is destabilising, largely to do with things like conflicts making prices of essentials go up and down, plus the speed of technological change and things like inequality of opportunity as evidenced by the issues described in the article, we are in for a bumpy ride, and it's nothing like previous "industrial revolution" given that neither typewriters or washing machines could "think" when they were introduced, nor could the first android phones massage our egos via app.

It's the speed, environmental impact, decimation of creativity, the messing with people's heads, increased opportunity for cyber crime, lack of mitigation and safeguards against economic impact, plus reluctance to legislate in these areas that seem to point towards a perfect storm.

‘Apprenticeship penalty’ on benefits forces young people from poorer UK families to quit

Government advisers call for review of rules that cause loss of household income when a child takes up job training

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2026/apr/23/apprenticeship-penalty-poorer-uk-families-benefits-young-people-quit-training

ValueofNothing · 23/04/2026 18:00

Time for Universal Basic Income.

I have never been pro UBI until now. But if AI is taking jobs, then surely it should be to allow humans to work a bit less, to job share and to have more leisure time, not to sink into poverty. AI should be used for the benefit of humanity's wellbeing and not to make a few extremely rich men even richer.

I mean we all know which way this will go. And it's pointless to imagine that the powers that be will give a crap about the younger generation when they never have before. But UBI would be fairer than losing a generation to misery and unemployment.

KnitFastDieWarm · 23/04/2026 17:53

WheretheFishesareFrightening · 23/04/2026 11:49

Given nothing even close to my very normal and widely heard of job is on there, I’m comforted the robots might not be as advanced as they think they are ;)

it’s never heard of my (common) profession either! or variations thereof - bizarre 😁

smallglassbottle · 23/04/2026 17:48

bootle96 · 23/04/2026 17:26

I feel sorry for teens/young adults reading this. I have 2 teens, the constant rhetoric that everything will be worse for them and they’ll never have jobs is what is damaging their generation, not AI or societal changes. If we aren’t careful this will be a self fulfilling prophecy. Humans are adaptable, young people especially. Of course AI will change things but change is part of the human condition and is inevitable. My kids are intelligent and adaptable, they’ll work something out. I’m certainly not telling them they won’t get a graduate job, or that they will need to retrain as soon as they graduate. Parents doing that are horrible people, some people on here seem to want their kids to fail.

Mine's worked it out for himself that this is what'll happen. He does follow the news and current affairs and has his own brain. I'm helping him by realistically suggesting employment opportunities and training that he may not have traditionally thought about.

The 'horrible people' are those who encourage their children to have unrealistic expectations post education then sit round wringing their hands when it doesn't happen. In my experience, nepotism is rife out there and the ones who walk into cushy jobs as post grads are the ones who have relatives who can 'assist'.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 23/04/2026 17:48

MorangoDoNordeste · 23/04/2026 17:29

Yikes! That video is scary

I know. It was like every question was an Armageddon cul-de-sac. Even if you are lucky enough to keep your job what the hell is it going to be like out there on the streets if most people are idle and aimless.

csandsickofit · 23/04/2026 17:45

Tffjyvkbh · 23/04/2026 10:27

Everyone says get a trade but if everyone does that, who will pay them? I guess that I do worry that I won't be able to guide them properly. It feels like it used to be much easier before, study well, go to uni, get a gras job. That's what me and all my friends did.

It will mean you might, in the future be able to actually find a plumber/electrician/ carpenter when you need one. And brickies etc mean house building might move on.
perhaps it is a good thing that the default position ceases to be ‘go to university’. It’s not necessary.

smallglassbottle · 23/04/2026 17:40

TheKittenswithMittens · 23/04/2026 16:56

Well, if there are no jobs for them to go to, they won't need childcare. The housing issue is a lot more critical.

How will people afford to have children with no job? I doubt the government will fund it.

MorangoDoNordeste · 23/04/2026 17:29

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 23/04/2026 17:05

Thank you. I’ll read that after I’ve made dinner. The last podcast I listened to was this one re.Ai, but don’t listen to it if you’re already feeling depressed.

Yikes! That video is scary

bootle96 · 23/04/2026 17:26

I feel sorry for teens/young adults reading this. I have 2 teens, the constant rhetoric that everything will be worse for them and they’ll never have jobs is what is damaging their generation, not AI or societal changes. If we aren’t careful this will be a self fulfilling prophecy. Humans are adaptable, young people especially. Of course AI will change things but change is part of the human condition and is inevitable. My kids are intelligent and adaptable, they’ll work something out. I’m certainly not telling them they won’t get a graduate job, or that they will need to retrain as soon as they graduate. Parents doing that are horrible people, some people on here seem to want their kids to fail.

WheretheFishesareFrightening · 23/04/2026 17:08

Octavia64 · 23/04/2026 14:50

AI (at the moment) has a truth problem.

so it can be used for writing letters etc, but lawyers who have used it (and academics) find that because it is basically a big word prediction machine it can hallucinate and produce court cases and articles that don’t exist.

obviously if you ask it about tax law it will do the same.

this hallucination is not a trivial aspect of how it operates and it won’t be easy to fix,

the fundamental problem of how do you know the AI is telling the truth is inportant.

there have already been legal judgements set aside because they were found to have been written by AI.

so for tax advise, you could ask it for information but only a fool would rely on it’s advice.

possibly there are more fools around than I thought though.

That’s true for ChatGPT, but have you used AI designed for tax law (I presume not as it’s not publicly available). It is more accurate than any human I’ve ever dealt with. It’s unable to hallucinate and has immediate access to all case law, legislation and supporting commentary.

At the moment, you need to be able to ask it the right questions though - so it’s no use to Joe bloggs on the street, but if you know you might have, say, a degrouping charge issue then the AI can outperforms most humans I’d say.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 23/04/2026 17:08

It seems like they’re just fucking about with the technology with absolutely no plan. That’s how it comes across anyway. They are a load of Tech Bros who got very focused on a project and potentially will be ending civilisation as a result. I guess similar to the physicist that split the atom to see what happened

Twitchie · 23/04/2026 17:06

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 23/04/2026 16:57

Has anyone actually heard someone who has an AI tech background say anything positive about the future?

Won’t these people be putting themselves out of jobs eventually?

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 23/04/2026 17:05

Thank you. I’ll read that after I’ve made dinner. The last podcast I listened to was this one re.Ai, but don’t listen to it if you’re already feeling depressed.