Animal cruelty - lack of support on threads

A very long time ago, Paul McCartney protested against animal testing for everything including medical purposes. After the death of Linda, his first wife, he admitted that she had undergone treatments that had been tested on animals, in a desperate attempt to treat the cancer. It must have been a hard reality for them to accept, but much respect to him for admitting the fact.

I don't follow? Can tou help menunderstand what you mean?

I think perhaps I was clumsy in my emotional writing -

I added that (theyre not different to us) to further drive the point home and bring it closer to home... not to say "animals who are not like us are totally fine to mistreat"

I'm sorry if my post was not clear.....

Stop with your straw man arguments.

And all the WLIs started life as treatments for diabetes. Which is a life threatening condition. The fact that they help people lose weight was a beneficial side effect. Because not all side effects are negative. Yes, they make money for pharma companies but on the other hand, overweight and obesity cause all sorts of other health problems. I can excuse ignorance of this, but your comment about pies is just plain offensive.

You don't need much 'understanding' to interpret photographs of animals in restraints being subject to a life of agonising torture only relieved by death.

My comment about WLI is relevant as they are tested on animals.
A recent thread on here linking the two shook out a lot of 'fuck animals' I just want the meds sentiment.

You're here in total support of animal cruelty. I can see that.

I take antidepressants which have a side effect of weight gain. Due to a very traumatic rape and SA.

I am also physically disabled - I can’t mobilise well, I have crutches and a wheelchair.

im also on steroids. A lot. Which also have weight gain as a side effect.

I’ve already changed my diet.

my blood pressure is sky high due to stress (cancer, arthritis, rape, police to deal with, not safe in my house etc)

OMG that’s awful!

If a doctor recommends a treatment on the nhs why wouldnt I take it?

Because it is tested on animals and if you lose weight by changing your diet your blood pressure is very likely to reduce without you needing weight loss drugs or blood pressure medication.

I genuinely hope you are well very soon.

The drugs that are available NOW to keep me alive have been tested on animals.

would people really refuse them? I’m not talking about vanity treatments. I’m talking about curative chemo. I’m talking about pain relief that means im not wanting to kill my self with constant nerve pain. Or top myself due to SA and rape so I take antidepressants.

There’s no ‘fuck animals’ in my beliefs. My issue is the complete lack of understanding of animal testing that so many people on this thread have shown.

And your comment about WLIs was just bizarre.

Refusing medical treatment thats already on the market isn’t going to help pp save animals though. It still doesn’t mean we have to be apathetic or downright dismissive of ethics.

It’s the same as saying why do you care about farming if you eat meat, or why care about stray animals if you haven’t adopted them all yourself. Can we not do better than this

to be brutally honest I’d rather be alive.

im also eligible for weight loss drugs but I need the cancer sorted first. I have high blood pressure. If a doctor recommends a treatment on the nhs why wouldnt I take it? I’m not paying for any of them privately to be clear.

You must rather drugs were not tested on animals though?

I'm sorry you are in the position where you need the drugs, I really am.

Probably at my age I would.

Do you not feel any regret at the pain animals are put through for humans?

It's the brute faced 'fuck animals' aspect of your stance I find hard to bear. I see you support animal testing, but if you were to just say, it's bloody awful isn't it, then I could get it.

What about my chemo? The antidepressants that stop me killing myself?

So you have taken medication then, which makes you rather hypocritical.

I assume if you were unlucky enough to get cancer you would refuse treatment and allow yourself to die?

But how do you feel about that?
Does it not hurt you?

As someone already pointed out all drugs have to be tested on animals before they are deemed safe enough to move onto human trials, without animal testing none of the drugs we use in medicine today would have been developed. If you are against animal testing I guess you must refuse all medicines and vaccinations then? I imagine this isn't the case so on some level you must accept that drugs need to be tested somehow to be deemed safe? Or did you just never think about that and collect your prescription and take your tried and tested drug to treat your ailments?

I'm not against animal testing for medicines, it isn't nice, but it's necessary.

I haven't taken medication for over 30 years and don't have children.

I owned a beagle as a child so have always been aware of animal testing on them. How do people think medication and cosmetics safety tests are done? It’s not on flies….

Also to the people wondering if it's really that bad - they CUT the vocal chords of beagles so they can't scream out in pain. They cut them. Without anaesthetic. Barbaric.

Have you never taken medication. Did you have your dc vaccinated? Have you taken or allowed your children to take antibiotics? If the answer is yes, you are using products which have been tested on animals.

YANBU. This is a good one for the other thread 'what do people do that you find baffling'.

Anyone who doesn't care about animals, or doesn't care that they are being hurt - I immediately am very confident that they are a shit person who I do not want to know.

I just don't understand. It's disgusting and devastating. Is it ignorance? Stupidity? They literally don't understand that animals feel emotion and pain, and have the same brain centres we do to process those emotions, and the same hormones we do to feel those strong feelings? I don't understand HOW people can be so cruel and callous.

I'm a biochemist, early in my career I was part of a team who developed a clotting factor inhibitor which made it to market and will undoubtedly have saved many lives. Was that molecule tested in animals? Yes. Do I believe in the necessity of animal testing for medicinal products? Yes. Do I wish it wasn't necessary? Yes.
No cognitive dissonance here.