Animal cruelty - lack of support on threads

What are you talking about? What “last few days”? What are we “learning”? I read and watch and listen to the news every day and I don’t know what you mean.

I’m the same. I do a lot of donating and supporting animal charities in real life but I come to Mumsnet for light hearted stuff so I hide anything about animal cruelty here. It doesn’t mean I don’t care about it - quite the opposite actually.

If you start a thread OP the onus is on you to provide context. I don't know what you are on about. Maybe that's why people didn't engage in other boards.

I'm exactly the same. I deal in real life with this everyday. I simply can't bear to even open threads when I know it will upset me greatly and I'm not able to actually physically do anything about it - which of course is different to the rescue work I actually do.

It’s disgusting, and also it doesn’t work. 92% of trials that pass animal testing fail in human trials. Because animals are different species to us.

There are alternatives, anti-vivisection organisations have come up with them over the decades, like organ on a chip and AI which outperform animal trials. But they have a higher cost and more training implications and so haven’t been widely adopted by drugs companies.

Theres no reason to test on animals - donate to the anti vivisection charities. I think maybe more public outcry and pressure might be able to change things

I'm so sad to see the AIBU poll at 50/50 when

"doses of chemicals are either force-fed through a tube directly into the stomach or injected" [to "see what happens" when the dog is poisoned. No pain relief is given.]

Assessing the results involves autopsy, so even if the animal survives being poisoned, they’ll be killed to get the result. puppies as young as 5 weeks old are being killed as well as adults subjected to years of testing. Beagles are chosen in particular because they are soft, docile and compliant. 💔

It's disgusting. That is before we even get to the swathe of animals being tortured to order for sickos on the internet. Why are humans so fucking awful.

😱😱😱😱 I don't believe it is ever ever justified, EVER.

Generally, etiquette would dictate that you should include the details of what it is you want to discuss.

Providing a link and expecting people to go away and read it is just rude.

Surely, if you care so much you have lots to say about it?

https://naturewatch.org/campaigns/animal-experiments/beagle-testing/

It’s absolutely cruel. Dogs forced to inhale pesticides, forced to ingest poisons repeatedly and without pain relief. Much of the testing is done to aid veterinary medicine, how messed up is that?!

It might help to say what you want to say and not talk in codes

I think a lack of traction is partly due to the fact that there are far, far worse things going on in the world at the moment. Plus people might not think the same as you - I don’t like animal cruelty for the sake of it but I’m not against it when life saving drugs or operating procedures are being tested.

I just can’t bear to read anything about animal cruelty and I admit I hide threads and and turn the tv over when those awful RSPCA adverts appear, I know it’s cowardly but the images haunt me and I find it really distressing, I try to help animals as much as I can in real life and volunteer for an animal charity, others may feel similar and maybe that’s why they don’t get traction because it’s just so awful?

It might be worth including more details about what you mean. I haven’t seen anything.