Not fit to be in charge of a child

Chardonnay was better than the double barrelled name this "fan" called the little girl.

Just face it, you were acting like a dick to use Chardonnay when you could've picked any name at all.

The denial just makes you look even sillier.

Sadly this is quite common near me. I don’t swear in front of my children but they regularly hear people swearing on buses, in the street, at local youth clubs etc. I’m also a foster carer and none of what you’ve said would concern social services, unless he was actually staggering around drunk which it doesn’t sound like he was.

Why "Chardonnay" and not "Lucy/Emily/Olivia" then? You were totally being judgemental and wanted to reinforce a stereotype.
FWIW a friend of mine who referees at the local U16 matches has recently made a formal complaint to a club about the behaviour of one of the parents....an accountant btw.

That kind of swearing is obviously inappropriate in front of a child. But smelling of smoke or drink?
It sent me back to 10 years or so ago, when in the summer, after football training, as a group of largely middle class parents we would sometimes hang out afterwards in the sun with bottles of wine and some food. I'm sure the odd person smoked, but that was probably ok, because they were deemed middle class and had teeth?

I don't think that sounds OK but I wouldn't let it ruin my day out. It's football not Glyndebourne.

Did you actually do anything to help this kid? You talk like you’ve got the moral high ground. Nobody has said this guy is perfect, but none of us are, including judgypants.

Oh yeah not judgemental at all. And why is he a “fan” rather than a fan?

Ha ha ha! Leicester fan here and you’re not wrong! My dad took me to the football as a kid. There was one rule - I could join in the songs etc as much as I liked, but only at football. If that language was heard outside of the football I was getting a smack!

I don't think you need teeth to be able to care adequately for a child. And so what if the kid has a 'chavvy' name. I thought football used to be very popular among the working class?

The only issue is swearing but that happened all the time at football so to single out one person and say they're literally unsafe around kids because they said fuck...is a bit much.

Ah. Yes. And this is the reason I was told to'go away, you f-ing fat c' by a 6yo in clinic recently.

Kids learn what they hear.

If this was a middle class man he'd just be seen as enjoying the camaraderie. Football matches are full of bad language and shouting. Not my scene but each to their own.

By calling the child Chardonnay for the purposes of the post you sound snobby. You could have picked any other name.

Fair enough we'll have to agree to disagree about the breath smell.

It’s not Christmas Day, it’s a football game. And actually I think you are being unfair, you’ve totally twisted the context of my initial reply which was about something else, and continue to argue about it no matter what I say. I think the OP was being judgemental, even if some of her points may have been valid, others certainly weren’t, and that’s the point I was making.

Got to be a Leicester fan judging by the description and foul language aimed at the ref and definitely the players 🤣🤣🤣

You've widened the goalposts there.

I was picking you up solely on saying ""Some of her reasons for saying he’s not fit are totally fair observations, smelling of drink for example."

The smell on his breath was not a fair observation when it comes to being fit to look after a child.

Otherwise 3/4 of Mumsnet would have their children removed, especially on Christmas day.

I would doff my cap at his social superiority 😂

OP obviously doesn’t think he was fit to look after a child though. And it’s just a bit obtuse really to suggest the man smelling of alcohol, smoking and swearing at a football match with a young child is the same as an adult smelling of garlic regardless of wether he’s fit to parent or not.

But obviously smelling of alcohol is not the same as smelling of garlic.

If they're fit to look after a child, it's exactly the same.

It's just a smell.

I remember going to house parties at my grandads when I was young. My mom would take me and my sister, my cousins were there as were aunties, uncles etc. They would get drunk, smoke in the kitchen, blast music out and laugh and swear and tell stories. That was in the 90s. I used to love those parties. Happy memories.

You are really twisting the point of what I was saying, responding to someone saying OP was making observations not judgements. She judged him as not fit due to his smell of alcohol, which may be fair enough, maybe not, it was just an example really comparing it to the fact she said he had bad teeth which clearly makes no difference to his ability to care for a child.

But obviously smelling of alcohol is not the same as smelling of garlic.