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To think no one can SERIOUSLY want Starmer to go now, it’s media created instability designed to damage the UK.

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partmermaidpartplant · 18/04/2026 10:42

trump, wars, Israel invading Lebanon, US mid terms…….

it would mental for Starmer to go and it’s a trap.

yabu - of course Starmer has to go, despite what is happening in the world right now.

yanbu - time to move on and deal with trump and the blatant manipulation of the media by Russia, right wing billionaire interests.

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Goldfsh · 18/04/2026 17:34

Fluffyholeysocks · 18/04/2026 17:28

Whether she did or didn't do anything wrong, surely we want to stop this procession of underwhelming PM's who aren't up to the job and then resign. Rayner won't be any different.

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How do you know?

TemperanceWest · 18/04/2026 17:33

IdaGlossop · 18/04/2026 17:31

The Independent story in September last year made it possible gor the whole country to know, never mind the whole of Westminster.

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That is the one thing that is baffling me. Do you have a link to it? I haven't read exactly what it said.

IdaGlossop · 18/04/2026 17:31

TemperanceWest · 18/04/2026 17:23

I don't think people are saying that Starmer is cherished. What they are saying is now is nit the time to be having a leadership contest.

The "whole of Westminster" didn't know. Robbins and the FCDO security team did.

If the "whole of Westminster" knew, I feel certain that Badenoch would have raised it at PMQs.

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The Independent story in September last year made it possible gor the whole country to know, never mind the whole of Westminster.

Fluffyholeysocks · 18/04/2026 17:28

Goldfsh · 18/04/2026 17:08

Ah yes, Rayner, who was clearly so evil by dodging her obviously clear tax affairs that even HMRC seem to be unable to decide if she did anything wrong, MONTHS later. Fucks sake.

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Whether she did or didn't do anything wrong, surely we want to stop this procession of underwhelming PM's who aren't up to the job and then resign. Rayner won't be any different.

TemperanceWest · 18/04/2026 17:23

Moooooooooooooooooo · 18/04/2026 17:14

It’s amazing how cherished Starmer is. So beloved by everyone is he that virtually the whole of Westminster knew of Mandelson’s failed vetting and not one of them wanted to disappoint the Prime Minister so they didn’t tell him. You all might as well believe in fairies and that elephants can fly if you think he didn’t know. You have all been lied to and are quite happy about it. More fool you.

I don't think people are saying that Starmer is cherished. What they are saying is now is nit the time to be having a leadership contest.

The "whole of Westminster" didn't know. Robbins and the FCDO security team did.

If the "whole of Westminster" knew, I feel certain that Badenoch would have raised it at PMQs.

Dragonscaledaisy · 18/04/2026 17:17

singthing · 18/04/2026 16:56

It seems like the main reason some people to want him to stay is "there's no better option" or "been too much change".

Neither are exactly ringing active endorsements of him as a leader, politician or even person. He's just...what's left after you take all the other dross away. Great.

Saying there's no better option is no reason to keep a weak and incompetent individual in post. Very few people could be worse.

Moooooooooooooooooo · 18/04/2026 17:14

It’s amazing how cherished Starmer is. So beloved by everyone is he that virtually the whole of Westminster knew of Mandelson’s failed vetting and not one of them wanted to disappoint the Prime Minister so they didn’t tell him. You all might as well believe in fairies and that elephants can fly if you think he didn’t know. You have all been lied to and are quite happy about it. More fool you.

Papyrophile · 18/04/2026 17:10

I'm not keen on SKS but don't want him ousted. It's not as if there are hordes of better candidates in his party. And they have a large majority.

Goldfsh · 18/04/2026 17:08

luckylavender · 18/04/2026 16:59

Well it obviously won’t be Abbott. Unlikely to be Reeves or Lammy. As for your nickname for Angela Rayner - pretty puerile, says a lot about you. It won’t be her either though as she hasn’t been exonerated for her tax affairs yet. Try harder.

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Ah yes, Rayner, who was clearly so evil by dodging her obviously clear tax affairs that even HMRC seem to be unable to decide if she did anything wrong, MONTHS later. Fucks sake.

Goldfsh · 18/04/2026 17:07

singthing · 18/04/2026 16:56

It seems like the main reason some people to want him to stay is "there's no better option" or "been too much change".

Neither are exactly ringing active endorsements of him as a leader, politician or even person. He's just...what's left after you take all the other dross away. Great.

Not at all. I think Starmer is doing a bloody great job diplomatically on the world stage, while clearly making his values known, and keeping Trump at arm's length. I think he's done an outstanding job.

Re. Mandelson, I don't really see it as a scandal that falls at Starmer's feet. It's a fucking mess, and he's a slimey fucker, and clearly some processes have gone wrong somewhere - but we don't know much more than that?

luckylavender · 18/04/2026 16:59

Dillydollydingdong · 18/04/2026 14:49

Sorry, misread the question. But the same applies. I'd love to see Starmer go but who would replace him? Diane Abbot? Nightmare! Rachel Reeves? The Ginger Whinger? Lammy? 😫

Well it obviously won’t be Abbott. Unlikely to be Reeves or Lammy. As for your nickname for Angela Rayner - pretty puerile, says a lot about you. It won’t be her either though as she hasn’t been exonerated for her tax affairs yet. Try harder.

Myoldbear · 18/04/2026 16:59

AnotherName2025 · 18/04/2026 16:33

Then we really are fucked.

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Well who do you think would do better, and why?

singthing · 18/04/2026 16:56

It seems like the main reason some people to want him to stay is "there's no better option" or "been too much change".

Neither are exactly ringing active endorsements of him as a leader, politician or even person. He's just...what's left after you take all the other dross away. Great.

Figgygal · 18/04/2026 16:56

This entire "scandal" is Westminster bubble bollocks

I hate the media at the moment it's so toxic

Somedreamer · 18/04/2026 16:55

Starmer should stay.
I’m no great fan, but I really doubt we’d be in a better position without him.
This Mandleson nonsense is designed to destabilise the government.

EstherGreenwood63 · 18/04/2026 16:55

@TemperanceWest agree. I can't read it any more. It's been captured fo sho. Not sure by whom. 🤔

Pacificsunshine · 18/04/2026 16:52

It’s the opposition’s job to oppose.
It’s the media’s job to scrutinise.

It’s not a Russian plot.
It’s not any different from what the Conservatives endured.

TemperanceWest · 18/04/2026 16:51

Goldfsh · 18/04/2026 15:40

I totally agree, OP. I'm appalled that the Guardian seems to be working itself into a froth about the Mandelson stuff too. Why the fuck is the Guardian trying to destablise the government right now?

We don't even know why Mandelson failed the vetting!

Compared with all the shit the Tories brazenly did, this seems like a weirdly minor issue to beat Starmer with, when he's actually doing the core job really well - of navigating the current geopolitical tinder box.

We could very well be at war. He's avoided it.

The Guardian is acting oddly. It didn't like Corbyn. It really doesn't like Starmer. Has it gone Green, perhaps?

EstherGreenwood63 · 18/04/2026 16:50

100% agree with you OP. The opposition parties should be ashamed. Self-interest is rampant.

NoWordForFluffy · 18/04/2026 16:48

BIossomtoes · 18/04/2026 16:42

No government in living memory has been close to winning 50% of the vote share.

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There have been a number in the 40+% though. It doesn't change my point that FPTP gives big majorities on low % votes, however.

I voted for AV. Did you?

BIossomtoes · 18/04/2026 16:42

NoWordForFluffy · 18/04/2026 15:03

The large majority didn't vote for him. He wasn't even close to Labour getting 50% of the vote share.

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No government in living memory has been close to winning 50% of the vote share.

AprilMizzel · 18/04/2026 16:41

Bassetyate · 18/04/2026 15:45

I don’t think Starmer should resign but I do think he should reflect seriously on his own failings in this whole affair. I accept he wasn’t told about the failed vetting but he seems curiously incurious about Mandelson, who, let’s face it, comes with “baggage”.

This.

I will be interesting to see what the civil servant who resigned over the clearance has to say on Tuesday when questioned by MPs.

nearlylovemyusername · 18/04/2026 16:37

I'd love Labour to go, but given it's not an option, I'm actually scared about Starmer going. He's the best out of this lot. Who would replace him?

ETA: I seriously believe that this it externally sponsored attempt to destabilise UK.

TooBigForMyBoots · 18/04/2026 16:34

The Tory dramas for the last few years have led many to believe changing PM regularly is normal. It’s not.

I agree.

YANBU @partmermaidpartplant. GB News is the worst. They hold the UK in utter contempt.

AnotherName2025 · 18/04/2026 16:33

Myoldbear · 18/04/2026 14:55

Yes, I definitely think the media does not have UK best interests at heart.
Starmer should not go, as no one can manage the world stage any better right now.

Then we really are fucked.