To find middle class parents insufferable?

I'm not sure what 'having it both ways' means. But attitudes that we have to be stringently capitalist or nothing don't come from people with an altruistic agenda in my experience.

No, you can't have it both ways.
NHS is in dire straits too. My DS had a head injury, was bleeding and half conscious - we had to wait in A&E for four hours before a junior could see him (and it required more than a junior and hospitalisation).
It was appalling even before the current crisis, and one of the reasons is precisely the same problem - we're not a socialist country so the top priority is always making (or saving) money.

You plucked one thing out of what I wrote. The truth is that I DO have friends that span the income scale from cleaner to a million-pound CEO. My point was that that's a huge range of different friends and that the MC is much more insular than that.

But yes, go ahead and ignore the context and the point of what I was saying, and pick on the fact that one of my friends is a cleaner.

I dunno, there's nothing wrong with wanted what's best for your kids. I loved one of the schools I visited for my kids, but didnt choose it because of the area. I wouldn't gob off about the reason for not choosing it, but that was the reason. I don't want my kids surrounded by rough kids and I'm not ashamed to say so.

No, good point.

My DS is at a C of E secondary school where you now need to attend church 3x per month for two years to get a place. We are Christians and chose it for its strong Christian ethos and no other reason.

I often think if no-one was pretending to be a church goer, then no-one would need to pretend. They could all get in on the basis of some other number on the list. But because there are enough people doing that, it is self perpetuating. I heard that a fourth sibling failed to get a place for this September because although once a month was enough for the rest of the family, it now isn't enough. If those families were equally spread over both secondary schools, they would be much more even. But they're not, because of a strange ability for people to pretend Christianity for a long time in order to get the school they want. And then the kids are just the same as anywhere else.

Eh? I didn't attend private school. I went to a comprehensive.

My kids aren’t in private school, they’re in a normal school which I picked over a shit school. A shit school that had parents dealing drugs in the playground and kids beating the crap out of each other regularly.

The biggest influence on a child's education is home, so think again about that fag and coke can....

Private school kids never have lice?! Wow. Worth bankrupting ourselves for fees then I guess.

V late to thread and aware that convo has prob moved on but I sort of straddle the working/middle divide, my upbringing was solidly working class and now I’m bringing up my kids in a middle class household. (First family member that went to uni, professional career, married middle class man…)

I see the divide very clearly and anybody here claiming it doesn’t exist is kidding themselves. My child attends a popular local state primary and the middle class mums definitely stick together, then there are the mums that have been born and raised nearby and stand with their friends, i have somehow managed to carve a niche whereby I am friendly with both groups but only on a superficial level. I love a can of Coke but my kid has a Boden coat.

I can imagine that mums of privately educated kids would have preconceptions about how the other half live, but that goes both ways to be honest.

When did your children leave school? Schooling has changed astronomically in just the past 10 years. You use your be able to get an education relatively easily in a ‘bad’ state school. Now it’s much, much harder. Violence and disruption is off the scale and is not being addressed whatsoever here where I live in Scotland. It’s little better in England.

I mean, that's great. But my view is that I want my children to have a wide range of friends because that, in my view, is a normal way to grow up. It is not normal to live in a segregated world that only contains people of a similar wage bracket/level of affluence. It just isn't.

I said there’s good parents who treat their kids lice and lazy slobs who don’t and then their kids permanently have them and give them to the rest of the class. If you want to send your kids to a shitty school to make a point then good for you. Enjoy the nightly lice combing!

Omg, you’ve just quoted yourself 😫😂

Yes I totally agree with you. I am quite put off the idea of sending my own child to private school (although I could afford it) as I don’t think I can cope with all the private school mummies.

already experienced lots of irritating middle class parents at nursery along these lines.

Yanbu. But dude, know your audience……😊

I don’t know. My two went to a state school and they are successful. But they also have empathy for people who aren’t as fortunate as they are because they mixed with them, became friends with them etc.

Don’t know about reception as we don’t have it up here.

But I would say it was enrichment as it showed them that other children weren’t as lucky as they are.

That's quite a stretch!

Also, the kids shouting 'fuck off' in reception in my DCs' class were definitely not the ones living in an MC bubble. Good enrichment for mine though right?

It’s human nature to want the best for your kids, if you don’t you’re doing something wrong. It’s why I don’t think many ‘left wing’ views hold up in the real world where people are driven by much more powerful wants and desires than political ones, and it’s also why socialism is fundamentally flawed.

It's worth pointing out that in a world where MC people make choices that disadvantage people who are less well off, more affluent people also make choices that disadvantages MC people, which is of course how we got into the shit show that we have at the moment. While everyone is scrambling to get what they feel they deserve and climbing over the people below them, everyone loses out.

No it isn’t new to me. But segregation of children due to class leads to the entitlement of the young people I’m talking about. No manners, because they have lived in a bubble.

I am so confused. Are you saying those links are stating that affluent=better? Are we reading the same links?

Yes, people of all classes can be dicks - surely this isn't news to you?

As far as segregation leads to ghettoisation is concerned, that's not a theory, that's a fact which has been proven over and over and is about as controversial as saying 1+1=2