To find middle class parents insufferable?

I agree that some parents are judgemental but I'm not sure that class is the issue. I'm lower middle class and you've said you are middle class too, so the marker here isn't class but values maybe (or ignorance?). In essence though, I agree, too many parents are too worried about their own children and their potential and make ill-formed judgements about others as a result. I guess it's just age old social climbing but it doesn't sit right with me either.

Not all state schools represent a cross section of society. Some of the London state schools that I have worked in were not at all diverse. Lack of diversity exists in all parts of society. Very few teachers are blasé about which school their children go to and where they work and that is because state schools vary enormously.

I know only two former classmates who sent their children to my old school. It went downhill dramatically about five years after my year left.

I agree with you. I live in a very mixed area and some parents avoid the school because it's not got the best reputation according to academic rankings. But my child has been happy there, learning and behaviour is dealt with (at least so far). There is a mum who always has a can of something and looks rough but from a brief chat she's a genuinely kind and nice person. I think it's good for children to mix with people from different backgrounds too. It's really a good school in my opinion but I hear people making assumptions without even visiting. Also there are benefits of it like space available in after school club, free breakfast club.

Although I think it being a mixed area is what helps - I would be hesitant to send my child to school in certain areas where nearly everyone is deprived as I think it does help to have some middle class parents...

So true... being middle class sucks 😁

One of the nice things about living in a small town is that it only has one secondary school, so unless parents send their kids to an independent school, they pretty much all go to the same one. The council estate kids mix with the kids from roads where it's hard to find a house under a million.

Consequently, they grow up with a mix of friends from different backgrounds. One young adult I know has one friend whose DF is a professor and another whose dad works in Aldi, and pretty much everything in between.

Yeah about how middle class parents are insufferable for wanting their kids in good schools. Anyway I’m middle class now but there’s been times in my life I’ve been broker than a lot of the people who like talking about how working class they are and hating on middle class insufferability.

Im just saying one of the reasons I didn’t want my child to go to any old school is lice, a lot gets mentioned on threads like this about behaviour, drugs etc all good points but no one mentions lice which can be absolutely infuriating when you spend hours combing just for your kid to get reinfected by the same family with alcoholic/druggie parents who let their kids go to school with visible bugs crawling through their hair every single day.

If wanting to avoid that makes me insufferable so be it

On the schools point, whilst I wouldn’t be happy about it for lots of reasons, becoming a drug dealer is a usually very lucrative and people engaged in it tend to get on the property ladder sooner. Lots of transferable skills too: communication, negotiation, dealing with the authorities, import / export, etc.

So although you managed to avoid going to the rough school and presumably were able to go to a ‘posh’ school, they still didn’t teach you about swearing? No need unless you are really angry but in this discussion I have not seen any anger.

Whole thread is about class lol

I think we might be agreeing?

I live in Scotland too! My son teaches in a state school. Some are great. Some are not so great. But the problem is rarely the pupils. It’s the SMT. Weans are weans. They’re the ones that keep him going.

Idk feel like you were the first to mention class, when you asked me how lice knew what class anyone is. I took it to mean you meant rich/poor seeing as class means different things to different people

and so I just answered your question

But thats NOTHING to do with class is it?

Obviously anyone can catch them but the families who don’t treat them are nearly always with substance abuse issues which obviously makes them more likely to be poor.
Drugs cost money, alcohol costs money.

Well aAlan Sugar mist definitely is lol

You edited your comment but I don’t think they’re necessarily poor, almost everyone I know who lives mentioning they’re working class is richer than me

As a reply to my comment on whether lice know what class people are.

Did I say all working class were drug addicts? I cant be bothered to scroll back and see what I said, did I tell you I had my first kid when I was 16 and lived in a homeless shelter? Been far broker than the average person who likes going on about how working class they are (not you, but people I know who do this) would never let my kids go around with untreated lice.

Anyway I said being a drug addict is time consuming hence leaving no time for treating lice, it’s also finance consuming making families with untreated lice more likely to be poor. Seeing as you asked

Hmmm, I am middle class, left wing and anti private schools so I sent my DD to a comprehensive. But unfortunately the environment traumatised her and she had a mental breakdown and became too ill to go to school. It was a horrific time and changed my views a bit. Some kids can still do well in challenging environments but not all of them. And my poor ASD daughter was definitely not in the right place. Luckily I managed to move her to a nurturing, creative school instead and they helped her get some education. I used to feel like you and was a bit of an inverted snob but I have more understanding now of why some parents might know instinctively their children won’t cope with a massive noisy shouty inner city comp.

But not all ( in fact a small minority) of WC people are alcoholic or drug abusers. In fact these problems also affect the middle class

My kids picked up lice, I did go through their heads constantly to sort it and I'm working class. And it's hardly finance consuming. And what makes you think working class people are " poor" anyway?

It is.....

Ireland doesn't have a knife culture.

And now I want a can of Pepsi Max 😔

I don’t think people in Ireland are uniquely different from people in the uk in terms of “roughness”

These threads always go the same way.
Private v public schools and how the posters from the roughest comps ended up running the country.
England v Ireland and how Ireland's has a class system despite numerous Irish posters saying the opposite.
Middle class v working class.

Its so dull.