To find middle class parents insufferable?

not sure why my comment was deleted?

Anyway good luck if you think you’ll make the world a better place by sending your child somewhere they may be beaten and threatened daily. And enjoy the evenings spent combing lice while your child cries (really not fun)

I never said that that these kids were inferior, they’re just more likely to be violent and disruptive. Yes they need help but they’re not currently getting it and it’s not my job to give it, or tackle this. It’s not my kids job to help these kids either.

For a champagne socialist, you seem to have very little knowledge of Marxist and neo-Marxist theories and the role of capital in urban deprivation.

No, this is a cycle that can be stopped if their children get the right support. All the evidence shows that it is poverty that keeps families in these cycles for generations, as much as you would like to believe that it is some kind of inherent inferiority. The children from these families are in fact much more in need of the “good” schools, and good role models if these cycles wreak havoc on to be broken. Writing children off and calling their parents names is just going to exacerbate the problem.,

But poor, lazy parents are more likely to produce violent and disruptive children. You must agree with that?

It’s not wrong to want to isolate your children from that. It’s good parenting.

Well it’s one form of inequality isn’t it. Wealth accumulation/financial. There are different forms.

I can tell you it’s certainly how my friend feels. She has made certain decisions in life that have caused her to accumulate less weath and now constantly blames the government.

I absolutely acknowledge other forms of unfair inequality also.

They are just giving there opinion and trying to make their children’s lives as nice and happy as possible, don’t we all want the best we can provide for our children some things are more achievable depending on the resources we have and some things we need to reign in due to finances and circumstances. I don’t think they are wrong just not equal for everyone.

People on this thread have called 'economically deprived' people pond scum. The point I was making is that if that's the general sentiment then it's not going to do much to improve things.

At the most baseline level, what I recommend is not falling prey to the idea that terrible, lazy poor people create awful situations with children who are rude and disruptive and that 'better' people must avoid them. I think that would be a good start.

I get what you are saying, bu a lot of us are talking about more serious examples and causes than an ofsted rating. We are talking about bullying and violence. It wouldn’t be tolerated in an adult workplace but fails to be dealt with in many schools.

I did exactly the same for private schools, too.
And I was definitely watching the behaviour.

Sorry is that what you believe inequality is? Really?

It's a chicken and egg situation.

One school I taught in had a very high proportion of children with english as a second language. At the time (I'm not sure if it's the same now) Ofsted required all children to be at the same level after 2 years, even if they entered the school with zero english. Of course that's almost impossible to achieve so the school was rated inadequate and put into special measures, which resulted in certain parents looking at it, judging it, considering it to be not good enough etc. I was warned not work there by people in the local area who knowledgeably told me it was awful. The school, in fact, was beyond brilliant, I mean truly amazing, the best school I worked in by far. But the Ofsted rating haunted it so they struggled to get teachers, certain families avoided it and so on. After I left, the corrosive effect of the Ofsted rating really affected it and it went downhill - it became the terrible school everyone believed it to be.

The collective decisions of society shape the society. It's not up to individual people to 'sacrifice their children' or 'engage in social experiments.' It would be a very good start though for people to acknowledge the reality of what their decisions mean and to stop acting as though they have no effect on anything.

Sorry…when did I call people “pond scum”? And when did I treat people like “pond scum”? If you had read my post properly, you will have seen that I went into poor performing schools to “make a difference,” but made no difference at all because the anti-education sentiment is too far gone. What actions have YOU taken to better the situation, and what teaching methodologies do YOU recommend, @Whyarepeople ?

Inequality will always exist. Some people make a choice to invest in themselves and others don’t.

Example is that once had the same job as my friend. I chose to make moves to progress. My friend was offered a chance at a promotion but turned it down as she didn’t want to manage her friends.

Oh and I really couldn’t care less which social class the state school kids were from, as long as they didn’t disrupt the class or physically attack my child I’m cool with it.

Do you know what would be the best way to eradicate private schooling? Make state schools less shit! If the local state school was able to safeguard my child and protect their learning environment by removing disruptive kids that would be BRILLIANT. I’d be right there! I’d be so much richer! But my child was consistently beaten up in state so we had to go private.

Private education wouldn’t be sought after so much if behaviour was controlled more in schools, and they supported SEN kids more. No parent should be made to feel guilty for not sending their kids to such a place every day.

I definitely think private education shouldn't be a thing. If you can buy education for your children that automatically creates inequality. In fact I would argue that is exactly why people choose private education - they want their child to be part of a world that excludes and provides more opportunities to some more 'worthy' people.

I don't think randomly assigning children makes sense, but I definitely think it makes sense for children to go to the school most local to them, no matter who happens to live in their area.

You're not suggesting this though. You're suggesting that middle class people actively decide to stop choosing better schools and more pleasant areas to live in, in order to make society less 'segregated'. This is clearly completely unrealistic. In reality the only way to achieve this is by force (for example, school places awarded by lottery) which is very unpopular and therefore unachievable in a democracy.

I agree with you that all schools should be good enough and that we all have a responsibility to better our communities, but the idea that this is achieved by individuals choosing to have less nice lives is bizarre.

Never any personal responsibility. It’s always someone else’s fault.

And It’s never their own fault that nice people don’t want to be around them?

I live in a grammar school area. At our (medium-deprived) primary, the kids that do 11+ are basically either the Asian and Black kids (regardless of socioeconomic b/g) or the middle class white kids.
Lack of aspiration is a big issue in some quarters. I don't see why it's on the MC to lower their aspirations

I imagine if you were 'economically deprived' and people actively avoided sending their children anywhere near you, you would take it on the chin, be perfectly pleasant and never complain, would you?

You can't treat people like 'pond scum' and expect their situation to get better.

Interesting to hear the critique of middle class parents. In the interest of balance, what’s your critique of working class parents?