How do clairvoyants know things??

The lady across the road went to a Doris Stokes evening. The people in the audience were asked to stand if Doris named a loved one recently deceased they related to themselves.

She was able to name that person and in some cases what had caused their loved ones death. When our neighbour got home she was perusing the obituary section of the newspaper and a great many of those that were deceased had loved ones attend Doris Stokes demo that night.

I have had a 'horse whisperer' to my previous horse. She was able to pass on that my horse had severe toothache and was begging me to call the dentist. I initially said I wouldn't as I'd only recently had the dentist out for his 6 month called checkup but I relented and told ger I would. Dentist duly called upon, and the following week he attended and confirmed my horse had a large fracture of a back tooth that there was no way the clairvoyant would have been able to detect from watching my horse.

She was also highly accurate about a number of other, some mundane day to day stuff that would never have made it to my Facebook feed they were so mundane along with something she said that I had no idea about but was later confirmed to be true! In fact every visit to my horse spanning several years she was never incorrect in what she said, with my horse complaining I'd stopped his favourite feed, to the colour of the lid of the bottle of supplement I'd been giving him, to the fact he was bored as I'd not been riding him much to his foot hurting which he actually ended up lame on, costing him his life in the end after several treatment avenues/pain relief failed to address the issue and he was acutely lame and sadly pts. So she was totally spot on. She usually attends and does five or six readings in one day of different horses and every horse owners is stunned by her accuracy.

My friend fell for one of these charlatans when her marriage ended due to her husbands infidelity (he was a met officer who had an affair with a woman he met as a witness in a crime....yes it really is a bad as they say). She wanted reassurance that there was light at the end of the tunnel I think. Our friendship ended (by her) when I didnt agree that this was good for her, they dont "know" anything. They are just good at seeing what people want to hear and working out how to to give them that.

Humans have had millions upon millions of years to evolve to pick up non verbal clues. Language is fairly recent in our evolutionary line so those that weren't able to pick it up died out and those who survived did. Humans lost their brow bridges likely because it made non verbal communication easiwr.

That's so wrong isn't it? They all really make my blood boil & I'm not being snide or looking down my nose at all at people who go to these events or readings, it just makes me so sad for them, I know how hard grief is & I can understand that need to "connect" but this nothing but fraud & deceit on such a hurtful level

If someone truly had psychic powers don't you think they would have better things to do than get hired for parties?

James Randi offered a $1m prize for verifiable proof of the paranormal. It was never won.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Randi

I can see how mediums offer comfort, or to be more accurate the vulnerable take it, but then the mediums only do it for money. There's the clue: follow the money.

Couldn't agree more with this & @Pugglywuggly

My (now deceased sister) was a wagon for going to readings & events & used to try to get me to go too, we had a few very close bereavements & would get all huffy when I said I had no interest & that they were shams & ghouls for exploiting people at their most vulnerable time

I know the arguments "oh but if it gives theem comfort what's the harm?" but I just think it's disgusting & I always feel sad for the people desperately looking & hoping for some sign from beyond

my mam was another one too 🙈

@frostseal I actually believe in telepathy somewhat! But I think it could just be familiarity for me lol

I hate this kind of thing. They know the people going are vulnerable, as I've never known someone happy or content pay to see one, unless a group event type thing, and I think everyone in the room resonates with things like "I'm getting the letter S" and will make their own mind up and tell the story themselves in a way.

I don't know if I'm just a terrible bereaved person, but I don't want to have messages, or have someone "speak" to my loved ones from a fifty quid appointment.

It doesn't give comfort to me, but I know it does others, I've had family go and come home and try and tell me what our relatives have said, and what this means or that means, I honestly can't listen to it though.

I personally believe telepathy is real if unpredictable. Aside from that a lot of it is intuition and thread pulling as I call it. I'm not psychic but I have been accused of it. Its just a ways of taking a few facts or even intuitions about a person and situation and mentally pulling on different narrative threads until one takes you somewhere and "feels real" and its surprising how often it turns out to be true!

I think its possible to intuit a persons life and past from them but I'm not convinced anyone can read your future and I don't believe there are spirits hanging about telling psychics where your grandmother left the gold sovereigns!

Always a huge sceptic here but I went to see a psychic at a large event. Before we went in, I just had a funny feeling I was going to get a reading and mentally thought that unless they mentioned something VERY specific it wasn't true. I did get a reading which was spookily accurate, every bit of it, then at the end he said ",why is she asking me to mention XYZ?" - the very thing I had thought of!

I have been unfailingly polite.

It's extraordinary to me that you claim you don't want to continue our discussion but you can't bear not to have the last word.

I'd agree that 95% of these people are charlatans. Darren Brown's techniques are mind-blowing. Not sure many have his abilities, but for those that don't, they'll certainly be checking social media etc.

But I have had an experience myself where I dropped in uninvited to a spiritualist church, mainly so that they had no prior knowledge of me (gave a different name, too). I was actually amazed at the info they gave me. Not stuff I knew, but things I didn't know (and then followed up with family later).

Was it enough to convince a scientist like me? Perhaps it highlighted there are scientific explanations for something we don't understand, but the cynic in me constantly battles with this!

Science hasn't "seemingly" explained sound waves and evolution. It has clearly, demonstrably explained them through repeated confirmatory theories, experiments and proofs

(And what's so hard to grasp about sound waves? Sound waves!)

Every single person claiming to be psychic who has come under ANY sort of proper scrutiny has been shown to be full of shit.

If there was a single one who was genuine, they would happily and confidently prove that they were, and they would make a fucking fortune out of it.

I honestly find it unbelievable that people happily believe in it but accept that it's impossible to saw a woman in half. It's basically the same thing - just a trick.

It’s called being a polite, thoughtful, mindful adult. Basic manners really.

How is this post not you goading me?

Yes, but I am the one interested in continuing the discussion, so why would I do that?

I don't think anyone is doubting your experience, but may be questioning whether your explanation of your experience is plausible or rational.

If you truly "know your own mind" you will know that your mind is prone to hallucinations, heuristics and misinterpretations. Everyone's mind is. It's how our brains work.

I genuinely think people who leap to supernatural explanations of things are far more closed-minded than people who are willing to understand what we know about neuroscience. It is far, far more likely that what you experienced is explained by everything we know about psychology and neuroscience rather than some unexplainable mystery from a world inhabited by charlatans and con artists. Open your mind to the possibility of rationalism. Read about brain science.

That's something you could do too?

I'm mostly a sceptic. But my mind is not so closed that I would deny all the PPs experiences. Science does not have all the answers - where does the universe end, what's beyond it, how did it start, how on earth did our bodies get put together in such a miraculous way that it all works in the way that it does?
Even the bits that Science has seemingly explained, like sound waves and evolution seem quite extraordinary.
So I'm quite prepared to believe that there's plenty that we still don't know and what happens to us in death and being able to see into the future could well be things we just don't understand yet.

And you do know you can stop goading don’t you?

You know you can just stop responding if you can't bear to consider a different worldview to your own?

I absolutely do not deny science , i work with science but i know how my own mind works and i know what my experience was , i could say so much more about it but choose not too.
I find it quite bizarre how some people are so closed off and refuse to believe that there may be more beyond what we know and even you can't deny how much we do not know.
As i said i believe that the vast majority of people who call themselves mediums are absolutely not and many are totally fraudulent , but there are some people who have 'something' i don't know what,why or how but they do.
Maybe sometime in your life someone like the person i experienced will cross your path and you may change your mind.
If it's me you were referring to i wasn't angry.

Discuss all you like .. just not with me thanks.