How do clairvoyants know things??

I had a fridge magnet once with this on it:

"Don't make Me come down there." - God

No reason to lie and most definitely wasn’t seriously mentally unwell. What a weird judgement to make! 😂

If people experience the world differently from you, are they automatically liars or ‘seriously mentally unwell’?

Yep, zero.

No god, no clairvoyants.

This is the thing.

It would be really, really easy for a genuine psychic to prove that they were genuine, and what's more they'd make a fucking fortune to boot. The fact that they haven't speaks volumes.

Just like it should be really, really easy for God to prove He exists. Just come down, do a few miracles and I'll renouce my atheism so fast it'll make His head spin.

Of course I do. Nobody can do that. Nobody has ever been able to do that. As and when somebody can prove otherwise, I'll happily change my mind.

Until then, if a person claims they can do something which they can't, they're lying. If a person genuinely believes they have supernatural abilities and can see 'spirits' which don't exist, they are clearly mentally unwell.

What evidence have you found of God?

Hot reading ie social media/newspapers and cold reading.

The whole point about evidence is that it isn’t subjective.

You don't know that for sure

Derren Brown included the full text of a cold reading that he gave to a load of people, in his book Tricks of the Mind. It's very clever. They all thought it was incredibly accurate and personal to them, in fact a couple were a bit upset and unsettled at how intrusive it felt. He gave it to a group of Spanish people too and when he passed it to a translator to translate into Spanish for them, she thought he had meant it as a reading for her and was playing some sort of joke on her. It was tailored for bright people in their early 20s, which is how old I was when I read the book, and dang if it wasn't rather accurate for me as well. Yes, even the bit about having a connection to America or having a feeling I was born in the wrong time. Have I outed myself saying that?

Most of it, of course, was extremely universal but written in such a way that it seemed personal (there was some clever paraphrasing of "you are closer to your friends than you are to people you don't know very well") and it was also rather flattering, with an undertone of "how deep and interesting you are", and we all know what flattery will do to you.

It was very clever. And I actually find it comforting, in a way. The feelings you have, that you struggle with, that might make you feel alone, are actually very very common and part of what binds us all as humans.

She used to know who was next to pass away because she would see the spirits of their relatives who had already passed surround their bed in the hour before they passed themselves

No she wouldn't. She was either lying to you or seriously mentally unwell.

Some people can tune in to your thoughts and subconscious knowledge, like tuning into a radio station

No they can't. Nobody can, or has ever been able to do this.

No, I said I personally had found no evidence of the supernatural. That doesn’t preclude you.

It’s not a problem at all. You were simply the one who said there was no evidence for the existence of ghosts. There’s equally no evidence for the existence of any deities.

Thread is about clairvoyants not God though.

Yes, and people are free to believe and disbelieve as they wish, why is that a problem for you.

pre internet they relied on open ended questions and body language plus a person's willingness to be convinced/conned. Just say to someone "I can see you have had loss in your life" and take it from there. These days they can use Google, Facebook (if you are haven't used the privacy settings), Instagram, and so on. Plus they only tell people things that they already know which has always struck me as bizarre. Why pay to be told about things that have aleady happened.

To be clear, there is no cogent, verifiable, independently tested evidence for clairvoyance, mediumship, ghosts, life after death, or God.

Fine if you believe in spite of that, but let’s not pretend there’s any proper evidence for any of them.

There’s as much evidence for clairvoyants’ abilities as there is for the existence of an omnipotent, omniscient, benevolent deity.

Yes, to me there is. You are free to not believe, same as I don’t believe in clairvoyants.

For whose existence there is abundant evidence?

As in I am very religious so I have always been open to the idea of anything super natural (like ghosts) but never found any evidence of it.

It doesn’t exist. Only God.

I am very spiritually attuned

What the actual fuck does that mean?

Don't you might be sorry!!! 😂Also thanks I didn't even know there was a subforum to do with sleep, I'll have a nose over the weekend

He's excellent. I've read one of his books and it's illuminating about how you can read people, and deceive them! A fascinating study of human psychology.