Violent children should be stopped regardless of other factors

That child did the right thing with the confession however their answer to a threat of being stabbed was to take a knife to stab back…

Thats not helping is it. Now you have two people possibly out there with knife’s ready to attack or defend in one’s eyes. Now more people can get stabbed. Yay

Child was 14

Just a (vague but real) example - child being threatened online over a period of time told they were going to be ‘shanked’ on the way to school - took kitchen knife in bag to school - went straight to pastoral team - tearfully confessed to bringing a knife in - handed it over. Never involved in knife crime before or since - carried on the FE and did well

locking them up was not the solution

Outrageous.

What will these boys be like at 16, 18, 20?

In a cell.

You say 'range of issues and complex needs' but I still see that as more excuses. I couldn't care less what a kids issues are, they shouldn't be in mainstream schools if they can't behave.

I dont care about criminal exploitation or whatever other reasons they have, its not my child's problem to put up with. If these kids can't behave and their parents can't parent then they should be kicked out of school.

If a teacher has suffered at the hands of, or being threatend by, a violent child and finds themselves unsupported by the school, they should call the police themselves.

It would be good if the Teaching Unions maintained a fund for private prosecutions against either the child-if he is old enough-or the parents if he isn't.

Of ccurse that won't happen. I read of appalling behaviour on here with people wringing their hands and saying they have tried everything with heir out of control 5 year old.

I often have to sit on my hands to stop myself from typing, "have you tried putting him over your knee and slapping his arse?"

It might just do the trick at home and in school.

I think anyone caught carry a knife without proper reason should spend some time inside.

First offence or not.

People with good intentions don’t just wonder about with machetes down their trouser leg.

A child walking to school with a kitchen knife in the coat or bag has it because they feel they might need or want to use it not because they have cooking class.

The intention to use the blade is why they have the blade.

My ASD daughter had her thumb broken by a boy for slapping his hand away from up her skirt - she was kicked in the hand - she slapped him

she was excluded for a week and forced to apologise for slapping him - this was only 6 years ago!

Sadly girls still get a shit deal in schools for this abuse - regardless of the SEN status of the boy

Yes - the agency’s involved - Prevent, Lancashire Police, Lancashire Social Services, CAMHS, and FCAMHS. All made fatal mistakes and that’s why we need a more effective multi agency approach

Prevent didn’t have a ‘framework’ he fitted so ‘couldn’t’ act, SS - god knows - they will have a SCR I’m sure but I’m betting it’s down to lack of SW’s and training, CHAMS have no power to force people to engage so if YP say no their involvement ends.

the system is broken, it needs better funding- more specialist staff/support - more legislation behind it. People can only do what they can do in their jobs - as mentioned above there are no secure therapeutic placements around without huge waiting lists, YOS pre offence work is voluntary, youth workers are rare beasts these days.

A broken system will never work - neither will locking kids up.

Im not minimalising this crime - it’s atrocious and those found to have been negligent need to be held to account. Knife carrying and youth crime is an incredibly complex and underfunded area.

No child should ever die this way and no child should feel they need to arm themselves - but they do and that needs addressing

When I was in primary school, a boy with learning disabilities had a particular fixation with me that involved pinning me down and forcibly kissing and touching me. I was expected to tolerate this because he was special needs. I had hoped in these more enlightened times we'd moved on from this. Apparently not.

It wasn’t very secure along the way for this person. Even picked up with a knife and then smiling about what he’d do with it (fatal violence) to police he was taken back home.

Plus the headteacher’s reports changed and minimised to avoid stereotyping.

Which is why each individual case needs a detailed risk assessment, safety plan and ongoing professional involvement.

I have some lovely kids who made one mistake due to peer pressure and/or fear and never fucked up again and others that are rightfully behind bars

That's ridiculous some parents are just as bad, you see it on here all the time from parents of sen kids saying you can't tell them off or punish them as they don't understand. So what's the solution do nothing and cry when they end up in prison as adults because the judge won't give a shit that they are sen

The issue is risk to other children. Looking at the failures and people dismissing the potential for extreme violence in this case.

Again I don’t think any post I have made suggest s otherwise?

Its not ‘excuses’ it’s the range of issues and complex needs I see in my job which young people- many of whom have a history of criminal exploitation and knife carrying

I've possibly picked you up wrong but it does sound like excuses again.

The victim should be the priority, children shouldn't be afraid or attacked in school

@ghostyslovesheets I’m sure that’s right but it is a service that needs improvement and expansion. We don’t just have a problem with parenting, we have poor joined up thinking from professionals who come into contact with these dc too. Like many areas of child welfare, we need to improve and doing very little, whether parents or professionals has to stop. Passing the buck and not investigating property should be a disciplinary matter.

I'm often genuinely shocked at what schoolkids (and teachers + other school staff) are expected to put up with.
At work, you wouldn't have to put up with people hitting, spitting, biting, throwing furniture around, trying to shove fingers up your arse (to use an example from a PP). So why the hell are kids expected to deal with such an environment without it affecting their life and learning?

youthendowmentfund.org.uk/behind-the-knife-crime-statistics-understanding-children-who-carry-weapons/

Any change for managing these persons needs consideration of rights. We need to keep fundamental rights uppermost.

No one has the right to murder, to try or to threaten to kill.

You’d have thought you wouldn’t have to remind every public service. We do.

I’d recommend this as a good watch - https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002r7tb

knife crime/CSE is complex and we are talking about children

And any child caught with a knife would/is subject to that law - not many are locked up for 5 years for a first offence though because it’s not that simple