Violent children should be stopped regardless of other factors

@ChunkyMonkey36 That’s not a PRU. It was probably a EBD school
as we used to call them. In my local town, we still have a state run boarding school for such pupils. That really is what AR needed. Having said that, the pupils still get the holidays!

The other aspect of this is that he was in a PRU after being excluded from his first secondary school. It was the Head of the PRU who was referred to in the report as reporting her concerns on multiple occasions. His parents wanted him integrated back into mainstream but he barely attended. 0.7% over 2 years. That school eventually off rolled him just a few weeks before he murdered the DDs. He spent 2 years with no education and it seems his EHCP was not reviewed affectingly or amended. This is why nearly every professional and his parents were at fault. They saw AR as a victim. His parents argued that he was “a good boy”. The services he came into contact with passed the buck countless times.

If anyone has the time, read the timeline included in the Report 1. It’s a truly shocking read of mismanagement and excuses.

What about kids that have nothing wrong with them, that are just bad seeds?

IMO we need to stop making excuses for bad behaviour as it just exacerbates the problem.

Aktion T4 was the nazi program for mass murdering disabled people, including disabled children.

Don Marquis was a comic writer.

What’s T4?

Wondered when the T4 advocates would show their true face.
Fucking repellent and reported.

That’s a Pupil Referral Unit, and they still exist.

There’s only one per local authority where I am, and very few have a full primary department, because most exclusions are secondary.

But; they do exist.

Cruel and counterproductive to let violent mentally ill people of any age roam free.

I agree, in my home town there used to be a school where children who were too disruptive/violent for mainstream school would eventually go (after numerous chances). I know that view is outdated now but what's the alternative? Keep demanding 1 to 1 support so they stay in mainstream school? Where does the money for this come from? Other children subjected to violence? Absolutely not

Because it costs a lot of money in one go. They can’t even be arsed to properly fund mainstream and with increased push for academies , they completely washed their hands off many schools.Of course, not having them costs 10000 times more long term, but that’ll be someone else’s problem. Plus , various governments have a handy scapegoat in teachers/schools.

True. Not much about this though.

Yes that's going to be a disaster. Completely unfair on the children who aren't getting the help they need and on all the other children in the class who are getting their education disrupted. I don't get why the government won't open more state sen schools so there are enough for all the children who need them. Then they could stop paying extortionate fees for a minority of children with sen to attend private special schools and leaving huge numbers of the rest in unsuitable mainstream environments.

The plan is for more children to attend mainstream schools, not less. It isn't going to go well for anyone.

I mean possibly but I was commenting more on the numbers than the specific issues they have. It was a LOT.

Cognitive difficulty probably, it’s not always visible.

Luckily I guess for me, my kid couldn’t be mistaken for NT when he’s frantically stimming about the place in his ear defenders, but if they’re not presenting that “obviously,” it’s likely they’ve got cognitive that isn’t visible.

Of course, they may already be in SENd school… and don’t sound violent.

We need a lot. I’m at a kids day out farm thing today and the sheer number of kids here with difficulties is really surprising. A lot of completely verbal and physically able 16 year olds queuing to go down slides and hold hamsters etc - not sure what’s going on but many do not seem age appropriate

We need a lot more state special schools. Shutting so many down was a huge mistake.

Yep this was also my DD she has pretty much had this boy foisted on her from around P4 she’s in p6 now because she is a ‘good influence’ until she flipped her lid and drew a not very nice picture so I said to the teachers when I was pulled in that perhaps she had just had enough of being hit and kicked and having her bag emptied in the hall all the time and perhaps it was time for them to be kept separate which they are in class etc now but harder to police in the play ground, she isn’t the only kid having issues with this boy either, good thing he leave for secondary school after the summer and isn’t going to the same one as my DD so she can have a year of peace

Yes, that’s how it is with DD1, she only targets my DH and me with her meltdowns. (Although it’s become clear that DD2 (14) has been negatively impacted by her rages over the years.) Outside, DD1 is more likely to shut down and then let it all out at home. Although she has in more recent years sworn at other people, which I really do struggle with.

We need to get in early and support these children with correct placements and not just shove them in mainstream education, cross our fingers, hope for the best and then be shocked when they can't cope. It's obvious that most of these children don't belong in mainstream education.

It's cheaper though so that is what will continue to happen and with EHCP's changing, this is only the beginning. It's going to get much, much worse.

That is clearly unreasonable behaviour on the part of the mother, and if I saw DS was getting that dysregulated when out we would be leaving immediately. This is the reason why we always knew where the nearest Costa was, as it was a safe place for DS and somewhere he could calm down when distressed.

I suppose I'm fortunate in that DS didn't attack others during meltdown, only myself & DH and was far more likely to shutdown in public. But I have stood in the middle of town, trying to keep DS safe and not running out into roads or getting in the way of others while he tried to gouge lumps out of me.

We want help in how to manage the behaviours, and how to reduce them.

And you think removal from a good home isn't going to cause distress & trauma and further problems with dysregulation? The care system has terrible outcomes and I would not want that for my child.

Well, yep. What did everyone think would happen if every other child was diagnosed with autism or adhd??

My DD was always seated next to a teenage boy who definitely had a diagnosis . Because she was a calming influence! He talked constantly and watched videos on his phone and was constantly showing my DD . She tried to ignore his behaviour but if she ever tried to tell him to be quiet, when she was trying to listen to the teacher.
It was her who use to get wrong for talking or not listening. The teacher never spoke to the boy!
I did complain. They just kept saying he liked her and was better behaved when sat next to her!!
My DD was thrilled when he started to play truant. I do think he had an unhappy home life, his mother bought him alcohol and weed!!

Oh my god it’s getting worse and our youngster only left primary under 3 years ago.

We sent both of ours to secondary schools with a decent expulsion rate, some people think it’s a bad quality in a school but it is not. They don’t expel well behaved pupils do they?

I rarely had to contact the eldest’s school, and the youngster is thriving with one year left. Some parents who kept their children at the local middle class all very nice on the surface school gave an additional full-time job contacting them about behaviour and lesson disruption it’s the “let’s get the parents and children together to have a nice happy flappy let’s all forgive and be friends again chat”.

@AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii I left teaching for this reason. I was so fed up of disruptive children being rewarded with Lego and cookies because they were 'disregulated' and 'needed to calm down'. I saw first hand that they did it purely to get these rewards. They smiled when they left the room. They banded together and called themselves the 'ADHD' club. One child blatantly explained that they tripped up another child because they 'had ADHD and can't help it'. This was a 10 year old child. They're not daft.

Boils my blood.