The tradwife movement

Whatever rocks your boat. Maybe its better than running round after a man, doing most of the childcare and housework and trying to hold down a full-time job. (this is a bit toungue in cheek before anybody complains)

Only 20% of married women worked in the 1950s, up to 50% by the 1970s. Working mothers are a relatively recent phenomenon. I think as with anything, if the women have a choice and this is how they want to live their lives then we shouldn’t judge. If they’re being coerced, manipulated or forced then we should care.

I suspect the latter is true to an extent but I do think psychologically some women like to marry so called ‘alpha males’ who are a bit controlling, throw their weight around and expect them to follow traditional roles.

There probably are some genuine trad wives out there, but the social media versions are just savvy, social media influencers cos playing as trad wives as they know its an extremely profitable niche. Similar to Andrew Tate/HS TikkyTokky, its all smoke and mirrors. Incredibly damaging for young people and those that can't see through the bullshit.

Indeed, it's nothing to do with Christianity. It's an ideological movement designed and financed by enemies of liberal democracy to undermine our way of life. Lies, lies and more lies.

I suspect it’s the same as the manosphere stuff, complete click bait and not something the creators actually buy into, it just makes for views and money. Not that it isn’t harmful of course.

It's called Yesteryear.

Yesteryear. On player there's a Stacey Dooley episode on this. She stays with a family. Wife is post grad educated but stays home and homeschooling the kids. Dad is in charge but her justification is it reduces friction. One boss. But they seem happy and she has the means to.go if she wants. I think it HAS to be a choice and in many cases its not but if an intelligent woman freely chooses it, I dint think we can legitimately criticise it.

You're right to identify it as relating to the manosphere, it's the other side of the coin and it's obviously part of the same agenda.

The rise of Christian nationalism needs our full attention.

An interesting thought and perspective.

How much free will exists now? In the age of social media?

Truth and reality are curated and created online; it’s all BS.

Its no coincidence that girls are easily groomed online, are easily brainwashed and manipulated, and very vulnerable to social contagion.

Reading is dying a death but reading develops critical thinking. Short form online content actively destroys critical thinking.

Good point! Yes all of those things as well. Thousands of choices.

Completely this. The missing part of the jigsaw is any kind of men’s moment that actively sought to take responsibility for men’s behaviour and crimes, work towards real change, and actively sought to tackle the impact on women and girls (and men/ boys) of sexism and gender stereotyping.

Partly capitalism but partly men just letting women do all the work, figuratively and actually.

I’ve several friends who became stay at home mums but their partners/ husbands hadn’t understood/ fully committed to the idea/ had had stereotypical ideals of what that meant when extended family isn’t near by to help out. Ie, I go to work and come home and put my feet up and am served. They all became trapped as the relationship became more abusive and controlling and they were unable to financially leave and lost out on careers for a while.

Where I’ve seen it work is when the men are as domesticated as the women and recognise that that doesn’t get easier when children arrive. They understand that children are a 24 hr job and the sahm is unable to clock off ever.

It’s a failure of society, education and certainly related to consumerism and capitalism.

society is fed extremely unrealistic views on how very hard it is to raise small human; evolutionarily speaking, there was a team of older women around to help out.

Cultures where the mother stays at home for 40 days post partum and is waited on hand and foot understand this evolutionary backdrop.

Maternity leave is treated like a holiday now. Great stuff if you can be doing the school run 3 days after a c section but it’s not to be taken as a life goal.

I also don’t fall for the ballerina farm shite; they’re making a lot of money from it and you bet there are others helping out behind the scenes.

But they do, unless these women have a gun to their head or are being trafficked.

Part of what puts my back up about modern feminism (I'm 59) is the victimisation of women instead of the pioneering (I'm just as good enough as any man) feminism of the 70s, I grew up with. As you get older you being to see that 'organised business feminism' has to keep reinforcing the idea that women are oppressed, unhappy, etc in order to create the demand for their business model (not very well articulated, I know).

Each of us have the ability to create the life we want (to a certain degree).

I’d love to read this if you can remember the name!

Thats an interesting comment and I do believe one of these AI tech bosses said something similar. While im sure AI will have an impact on all fields its funny how its the male dominated sectors like coding which will take much bigger hits than female dominated sectors like care, nursing, teaching etc

Is there a reason why other than SAHM, you've deliberately chosen options for women that you can describe in disparaging terms using sexist language? Why to you, the alternative choices to SAHM include only 'man hating' 'frothing' and sex work, rather than, say, being a doctor, a scientist, a teacher, or any one of the countless other options women have to make a positive difference?

bloody hell. Gilead / next top model mash up

Feminism has failed you? Thats the most entitled mistaken statement Ive ever read. Youve fallen for a load of propaganda that every issue in life for a woman is caused by 'feminism'.

If you like the idea of marital rape being a prosecutable crime, and owning your own property, then you have feminism to thank. Feminism just means having rights. Equal rights. Thats a bog standard basic. You have thr luxury as we all do of taking those rights so completely for granted but its a mistake to do that. Things can go backwards pretty damn fast, the US and Afghanistan just a couple of examples.

People fought, lost everything and even died for you to have that right, and you're not even grateful. Feminists are literally the only people that have fought for womens respect so dont start blaming them for anything. Work related problems are usually rooted in a LACK of feminist principles by workplaces, such as very poor maternity care/time off/job protection/discrimination.

Feminism gives women the choice to work or stay at home though?

Its capitalism that takes the choice away.

I recently read somewhere that women in the 1950s were happier than they are now so maybe there’s something in it.

I'd want to see robust verified stats on that

It is all social media nonsense anyway. Most of these so called tradwives have wealthy partners, have hired help to look after their kids & home and just pose in front of cameras to develop a brand and get attention....

Each to their own.

We live in a society where women have agency to pick their own choices. No one is being forced to be anything. If you want to be a SAHM and you can afford that, you can do that, if you want to be a man hating feminist, you can do that as well, if you want to get frothy over trans issues, you can do that... if you want to be a sex kitten with silicon tits that you love to show off, you can do that as well...

Thousands of women, thousands of choices. Find a life that makes you happy, because you only get to go around once so you might as well try and enjoy it as much as you can.