to think it’s time to ban dogs from shops and cafes?

Every single person I meet with a dog treats them like a child, expects everyone to fawn over them, lets them jump all over me, and treats me like I am unreasonable for not wanting that.

There should surely be a Fast Show or Viz character like this. Dog Magnet Woman. Just a normal woman wandering down a normal, suburban street but underneath that cagoule she's a dog magnet. Out of every alleyway emerge people pushing forward designer dogs in babies bonnets (perhaps some in dog prams [BINGO]). They're encouraging jumping all over Dog Magnet Woman and urging her to fawn. 'Go on lady, just one more jump' 'Give Rover a fawn for us now, just one more fawn''. Dog Magnet Woman refuses and rushes onwards towards Wetherspoons dog free sanctuary.

Dog owners then strolling off, lead in hand, shrugging at each other and muttering 'Well she was unreasonable - didn't want that.'

That sounds amazing.
My mum took her greyhound to a place, and the staff all loved him. He got a free sausage. They even cut it up for him. This was a place that had no dog items on the menu too.

Parents who do that are fucking annoying.
I have never met a dog owner like that. My dog would lay under the table in a cafe, out of the way of everyone. If that is treating her like a child then you have a really low bar when it comes to looking after kids.

Becuase you don’t like dogs and want to be somewhere that they aren’t. In order to ensure your own comfort, you can choose somewhere that doesn’t allow dogs. Or you can cut your nose off to spite your face, refuse to check first and then be saddled with the business owners choice to permit dogs.

Who else do you expect to take responsibility for your preferences?

Nope. Cafes are for whoever and whatever the cafe owner allows in. Cafe near me serves dog portions of roast dinners for the dogs. They have a sub section on the main menu, 👍

Why should i ask first? Cafes are for humans. Not for animals. It’s really quite simple.

Who’s stopping you going into a cafe where there’s no dogs? Plenty exist.

Every single person I meet with a dog treats them like a child, expects everyone to fawn over them, lets them jump all over me, and treats me like I am unreasonable for not wanting that.

You love your dog, GOOD FOR YOU.

I love going into a cafe where there are NO DOGS.

No idea why this is so fucking triggering for you all. Hence the YAWN because the entitlement is so tedious.

This is a really great point. Most people are leaving their dogs at home most of the time
Something like 40% of people live with a dog, and there certainly isn't a dog table fo every non dog table in cafes nationwide (or more to account for all the people eating in non dog friendly establishments!)

For most people taking their dog out with them will be the exception.

Equally in the last few pub visits, one dog sticks out as poorly behaved. Not the plenty under a table politely or the majority sat at home!

I google something like 'great cafes/restaurants in York'.
It comes up long lists of answers like Betty's or Lucia's.
Then I see which ones I fancy and ask Google are they dog friendly. It tells me Betty's isn't and Lucia's only is if you sit outside with your dog.

Google 'Places in York that won't allow dogs'. That also brings up lots of useful information.

I'm glad the long list of dog free venues was useful and I hope you'll enjoy visiting them when you're out and about. There really are lots of great dog free cafes and restaurants out there.

Absolutely dog owners know that in some places dogs aren't welcome. It's the owner's prerogative and is completely understandable. It's one of the things you accept when you have a dog. That doesn't make the lack of welcome universal though, in fact there are many places where they're welcomed wholeheartedly. There really is somewhere for everyone.

Strange that your cousin's Shih Tzu was barking the whole time. They're not usually overly vocal.

'Hang on a minute.I thought the discussion was because dogs are everywhere. Now 'many do ban dogs'.

Hang on a minute, you posted a list of places that don't allow dogs hence my comment that surely, surely this must give the 'it must come everywhere with me' entitled owners a clue that they are seen as a nuisance and unwelcome in many public areas.

Some owners are hopeless. I popped to my parents earlier, a cousin had visited and taken their shitzu who scurried about yapping the whole time. They hadn't texted to ask if it was welcome just pitched up with it

Can we also save “invisible dog that tripped me up on a train” for the bingo card on the next thread, @PottingBench ? Bit niche, but it did make me giggle!

How are you supposed to find dog-free cafes ?

What Google search term works to get a list of cafes in say York (where I live) where dogs are banned ?

😀

The next time I see goats' cheese on the menu I will wonder if it's from goats or for goats and will think of you.

@Gloriia but how do you know that the dogs you see in cafés go everywhere though? Do you ask the owners to find out?

Places I have been this week with my dog:

• café this morning which was on our dog walk route (new find, very nice 10/10)

Places I have been without my dog this week:

• coffee with a friend
• farmers market (you get better potatoes honestly)
• bakery
• Taking my injured friend to her physiotherapy session where i waited in...another café...
• out for dinner last night
• pet store for more food

I could have taken her to all those places yet she came to only one.

If you saw me in the café this morning with my dog, woukd you have drawn your lazy conclusion that I must take my dog everywhere?

I ask you again - how can you possibly know the schedules of complete strangers?

I’ll bring my goats too. They do poo everywhere so that will really give the dog haters something to whinge about. 🐐🐐🐐🐐

Hang on a minute.
I thought the discussion was because dogs are everywhere.
Now 'many do ban dogs'.
Just go to the many that do ban dogs and bob's your uncle. A bit of research beforehand or, walk on to the next place (dog, cat and rabbit free) you do like the look of like the rest of us do and you can enjoy your day out and about like a normal person.

Well done though on getting the 'should people take their rabbits with them everywhere'. It's taken longer than normal to get to that bingo favourite.

On reflection, I've never seen a cafe that bans cats and rabbits so people could do that at will. Imagine the moaning on here!

My friend just said she got a dog to spend time with it not dump it with a dog sitter.

i grew up with dogs but we lived in a rural area with some land so they mainly lived outside in kennels and roamed around. If it was cold in the winter they slept in the kitchen but that was as far into the house as they really came.

Thing is I like being outdoors and country walks etc but not to the exclusion of everything else.

Our other friends stayed with their dog and brought this massive crate that was tricky to fit in the kitchen, then the dog cried and wouldn’t settle in it so they put the dog on the bed to sleep with them. Then we could only go out to places that the dog would go because they didn’t want to leave it in our house in case it got anxious and chewed things or weed everywhere. It was just hard work.

I wonder if dog cafes would be popular. I mean like cat cafes not take your own but get to go play with some. Maybe harder than cats tho.

John Lewis cafes definitely don’t allow dogs @igelkott2026 , but, if this thread is anything to go by, you’ll have to fight your way through the peeing, pooing, slobbering, yapping hordes of canines marauding around the haberdashery before you’re able to order your cake!

I wish your last statement was true.
I took my dog to cafes that she was welcome in, and she would lay on her mat and not bark or bother anyone. But that was "wrong" too.

The most vocal people on these threads think dogs should never leave their home or not even exist at all.

But why should they all be dog free? Because you say so?

If so many people want cafes, coffee shops etc to be dog free why is that so often the ones that are dog free are empty while the dog friendly ones are packed? Why is that the dog free ones close down due to lack of business and the dog friendly ones keep going? Why have 2 cafes in my local town changed from not allowing dogs to allowing them?

If Samba the capybara turns up I am taking her to my local cafe :)