to think it’s time to ban dogs from shops and cafes?

And what if it isn’t big enough? Well aware asthma kills, so do allergies, so people that have them have to manage their own limitations - ie not eat out if they can’t be sure the food is safe.

The inclusive suggestion would be that blind people don’t take their dogs into public spaces? Or only business’ with a square footage over a certain amount allow them?

Of course dogs shouldn’t be on a dog free beach. That’s not the same as a cafe that allows dogs though.

I can move in away from the dogs a long as far away enough. It would be good if there was a dog bit of a pub and none dog bit as standard I think. Despite your questioning tone many people die from asthma attacks so why is not acceptable to think of inclusive solutions

I don't get asthma on a beach but a couple of times my husband has taken the kids out and had a picnic slobbered on. He definitely says something but he shouldn't have to if on a dog free beach to avoid your picnic being slobbered on. Or should we just stay home.

Well surely if you have dog onset asthma, you can’t go anywhere as service dogs have no limitations. Just as likely to be in the doctors or opticians as a cafe or restaurant.

I can’t believe in an entire city there is not one dog free pub. I too have asthma and carry an inhaler at all times. I react badly to golden retrievers. But wouldn’t on a beach because of all the fresh air (aka wind!)

Yes but where I live that dog free option doesn't exist unless you go to a high end restaurant or for Asian food.

I was in a small town branch of Subway the other day and a couple had their v small dog sitting on the table! The staff were oblivious/ didn't care. Certainly no tables were getting cleaned in between customers.

Yes but you don't always know. I went to Bills restaurant, it didn't even have an outside eating area and I realised when I stated to wheeze as have asthma from dogs that there was one right behind me. We asked to be moved and although the waitress was nice about it the manager was a bit uppity and despite having loads of empty tables away from the dog made out there was only one other alternative. Obviously, I will never be going again. Every pub (all serving food) in my City allows dogs so I just have to risk it if I want to go to a pub ever again. I was at a local one recently, no dogs and then a family come in for a meal sat on the table next to us and we were on a table for two next to a walk so our only access to leave was the side of the family, despite being a family of three the Dad dumped te dog bed he had brought with him nearest to us so I was trapped, when I got up to go he didn't even offer to move the dog and just gave me a grumpy look, I nearly fell over the round shaggy small dog, absolutely ridiculous when he could have just put the bed on the empty side of the table! I think dogs are nice enough mostly but I can't breath around them. Dog free beaches are the same, they are never dog free anymore.

You don’t need legally equivalent rights in order for a cafe to ban them.

This is about preference on the part of the user. If you have a preference which isn’t protected law (and the right to use a cafe free from dogs is not enshrined in law), then it’s up to you to find somewhere that suits you.

It is. It’s making the point that if a place doesn’t cater to your needs then you go elsewhere. Not stamp your feet like big entitled babies.

Dogs don't have legally equivalent rights to human children so that's not really a comparable argument.

@Tutorpuzzle as the weather improves you might find me sitting outside! I love my dogs and they are well behaved but they are still giant hairy beasts!

I agree @Wolfiefan , but these threads are where logic goes when it needs a day off.

I would love to come across a pair of giant dogs in a cafe!

Out of interest in all these places swamped with dogs you’re forced to frequent…when these monstrous beasts are blocking every possible route, do their owners all refuse to move them?

I hate the smell of fish, is it inconsiderate of someone to order it in a restaurant that sells fish, to accommodate my preference?

I hate smoking, is it inconsiderate of someone to smoke in a designated smoking area, in case I want to go in there? Or could I maybe just, hmm let’s think… go somewhere people aren’t allowed to smoke.

If I didn’t want to eat in a place that allowed dogs then I would stick to places that don’t allow them.
BUT I don’t take my dogs to such places purely as they are giants and would be in the way and diners could be put off by their size.

It really isn’t. No matter how many times you say it. Stick to facts and your one woman mission to change the world.

Jolly good.

Can I make a suggestion?

Don’t go to places that welcome dogs. Then you won’t meet any ‘entitled’ dog owners. Or their lunging, licking, bums on seats dogs.

And we will be safe from you.

Simple, no?

Well your posts are getting more and more unhinged. It's inconsiderate and entitled to take a dog into a place where dogs are allowed!!!!

No, it's bloody stupid if you don't like dogs in coffee shops to go to ones where they are allowed and then moan and bleat about it

'It isn’t entitled to take dogs to places that welcome them. It is entitled to demand people don’t because you don’t like it'

It is when you know all the other users, both sensible dog owners without their dogs or those who dont own dogs, don't like it.

It is inconsiderate and entitled regardless of what the coffee shop owners 'allows'.

I'm fine thanks, you?

It's ok I'm quite capable of typing a load of false claims whilst breathing at the same time.

Are you ok @Gloriia ?

You might want to take some deep breaths there!

I think you’re still confused about what constitutes as entitled. It isn’t entitled to take dogs to places that welcome them. It is entitled to demand people don’t because you don’t like it. The rest is you putting two and two together after seeing a brief moment in someone’s day.

Oh well if we're talking bingo cards let's have the entitled owners.

Their dogs never whine, bark or are a nuisance. Never.
They sit perfectly still and are not a trip hazard in cafes ever <despite them often lying exactly where we need to access>
They never sit on chairs <despite us all seeing dogs sitting on chairs>
They never ever ever bother other customers with lunges and licks <despite us all experiencing this>.
They all get a brisk hours walk before sitting bored witless while their owners eat cake.
They never shed dog hairs.

Have I missed anything?