to think it’s time to ban dogs from shops and cafes?

If there was some magical way of determining the good owners from the bad before allowing them in then that would be fantastic. BUT, unfortunately, there is not.

I'll answer this. Yes, the crux of this thread is basically about the people who don't have their dogs under control.
And SPOILER; not everyone who posts on these threads hates dogs.
I'm a huge dog lover and I'm sure that most people posting here ARE responsible dog owners, there are, unfortunately, dog owners who have no consideration for other people and it's these dog owners in cafes / pubs/ etc, etc that people are becoming pissed off about.

Don’t put words in my mouth. And just because it’s not YOUR experience, doesn’t mean mine is untrue.

Yea, some parents are shit at parenting. And some dog owners are shit at controlling their dogs. And some treat them like everyone should be delighted to be in their company. And some don’t.

Over the moon that you’re perfect in every way. Clapping for you!

“I haven’t asked” 🫠

Id rather just complain loudly that people who don’t about and can’t change my problem online rather than approach the relevant parties. 👍

You can ridicule my statement all you like by making it sound farcical, but the fact is, whether it’s comfortable for you or not, this is my experience. I am a walker, I walk a lot, and on every single walk, a dog is allowed to run up to me off lead, or let sniff around me or jump up me. None of this is invited and the response is always a cheery ‘don’t worry he’s friendly!’ as if that cancels out my dislike and then the owner won’t apologise, clearly offended that I don’t like their precious animal.

It’s not actually dogs I dislike. It’s the attitude of outrage of the owners that I hate, as demonstrated so beautifully on this thread.

Lay off the wine tonight eh? School tomorrow.

'businesses allow dogs, but dog owners shouldn’t take their dogs in case someone doesn’t want them there? That’s nuts.'

Businesses allow lots of things but just because it is 'allowed' does not mean we should do it. What happend to social etiquette, good manners and consideration for others? We could, for example, all sit talking loudly on our mobiles, play loud games, be generally annoying, it is 'allowed' afterall. We don't though <well most don't> out of consideration for others. Likewise we could all belch loudy after eating in public or fart but we don't. It is 'allowed', but we consider other users feelings. It is called having social skills.

The sheer number of these threads show us that many, many people view dogs in coffee shops and restaurants as unpleasant and inappropriate. So whether it is 'allowed' or not should not matter. The fact that so many people don't like them there should. Social skills people, try it.

Change the 'it is allowed! I'm therefore entitled'' to 'it is very unpleasant for other users so I won't'.

I haven't asked, I was told by a staff member of one of my locals that this is something they are thinking of as this pub is family friendly as well and sometimes it is a problem if a child is scared of a dog right next to them. He only commented as I asked if anyone had reserved a table away from the one I was sitting at with my husband as I needed to move from the dog that he come in. The table was reserved so we had to leave that's when he brought it up but he wasn't the manager so who knows.

I don't really understand how you are not getting this. Suggesting that people who are allergic to dogs if they are close to them or fear them have to just resign themselves to their fate as the business owners have decided to open up the whole pub/restaurant to dogs and really your allergies are your problem is very much an "I'm alright Jack" attitude. I don't expect people to not take their dog to a dog welcome pub but being dismissive of people with allergies or fears of dogs is really quite a shitty way to think when you are a member of society.

Presumably because it makes the owners more money, at a time when hospitality is struggling.

Well believe me, you wouldn't want to go to thus particular weatherspoons. The type of pubs I visit were pretty much all dog free five years ago, they are only for dogs and dog owners now.

so you are suggesting that despite dogs being welcomed, owners shouldn’t take them. Sure. Totally sane.

im alright jack doesn’t apply
hete at all. That would be if someone was explicitly told not to take their dog as you have asthma and they said “I don’t care I haven’t got asthma”

If course it's up to the business owner but the 'I'm alright Jack' attitude is not very decent as far as I'm concerned as demonstrated on this thread, your wheezing is your problem etc. Like people don't know their asthma is their problem. I think I'm just more of the inclusive mindset than exclusive.

What do the owners of these private businesses say when you ask them about zoning?

Well not quite the case that no dog free pubs then is it, just no dog free pubs you want to visit. So it’s not just your dog issues reducing your choice

Don't blame you!

I am surprised that somewhere has no coffee shops or cafe that are dog free but if that is the case then obviously the owners all feel that they will get more custom by allowing dogs. If one decided to be different because there are supposedly so many people not wanting to go to dog friendly places surely they would make a small fortune?

Yes but would I want to go to it- no.

You don’t have a single wetherspoons in
your city?

It’s not a fuck you attitude though is it? I
just don’t think I understand what you’re suggesting.

businesses allow dogs, but dog owners shouldn’t take their dogs in case someone doesn’t want them there? That’s nuts.

businesses should stop allowing dogs, far more reasonable but clearly there’s a reason they are and they’re the ones that need to be lobbied - not dog owners.

Yes, exactly, that's the rationale that would have to be applied. It is the case in my City that every pub is dog friendly so you are forever leaving if they come and sit next to you.

I didn't state that they were entitled, I am wondering if any thought and compromise could be had rather than just this F You attitude, tough shit. Seems unnecessary.

But that's a very common scenario not rare at all where I am as the dogs are treated like children so they sit at the table, they bark at other dogs, they aren't always well trained. Pee on the floor. Yes, the dog owners are acting within their rights, it doesn't make it fair though does it, I am just wondering if the people who do make the decisions on the access could be a little more inclusive and imaginative. Many of the pubs where I live are big enough to zone. I don't really see what's wrong with that.

And you are missing the point that this isn’t the result of ‘entitled dog owners’ - it’s the result of private businesses making business decisions. As I already said, it would only
become entitlement if they were insisting being allowed to enter somewhere they don’t have the right to be.

But you are deliberately misinterpreting what I have posted which is that I like many others with this quite common allergy even if they don't have asthma in response, can tolerate being in the vicinity but not next to a dog. The problem exists more and more because the number of dogs that are in places that they previously weren't allowed in. Equally, some people just don't want to be near dogs may e they are scared of them, maybe they find them unhygienic near food. Presumably that's why there are dog free beaches not everyone likes to be near dogs.