to think it’s time to ban dogs from shops and cafes?

Me and DH take our dog to cafes, coffee shops, restaurants, garden centres and some shops. We think it is great that we can do so. We had over 30 years of having to sit outside to eat with our dog when on holiday even if it was freezing cold or pouring. Now we can be inside in the warm.

We go out for breakfast at least once a week, lunch at least twice and week and evening meals probably every other week. We have never ever seen a dog sitting on a chair. We also have never seen a dog wandering around not on a lead or doing a pee or poo. Either some people are liars or they have just been unlucky

I didn't say it wasn't a country town or there 'shouldn't' be dogs. As for 'loads' versus 'reasonable number', I don't know what the metric is for that. All I can say is that I was very much in the minority not having one.
I don't know what else to say.
I don't know why it seems to matter so very much to you.

There are hundreds of them. Multiple times a week.

Not in my experience. Most local cafes allow them as do shops.
It's unusual to find somewhere where dogs are not allowed

Other people clearly do see a reason though including the business owners.

Yes, I have been on Mumsnet for years and can say I have seen one previous post about dogs, not that I go looking for them.

But folks can start threads about whatever they want really.

I know Bath very well. I am there one day a week, every week in the city centre and until recently worked there for 30 years. There are reasonable number of dogs, but not 'loads'. As I say, it's a country town really -there are going to be dogs. Lots of dog free places there though.

Oh yes what a good idea to leave your dog outside unattended. Ever heard of dog thefts?

If they are ever introduced can we also have the screaming pain in the arse children tied to them as well?

I' m not sure @PottingBench as it wasn't local to me. I just don't see the need for dogs to be in shopping centres at all, apart from assistance dogs.

Was it a shopping centre that allowed dogs? Some do, some don't.
Most shopping centres have security staff who will chuck people out if they're not following the rules. I'm made a mistake myself in the past (when the rules had changed to no dogs) and I've been asked to leave which is fair enough.

Not all breeds of dogs,not if you’re not staying in your own home and not if you’re out all day.

Yep.

Right, so you're making your own judgment on what the poster said based on reading about half of their post.
Got it.

They may well have a point, @ConstanzeMozart , I just lost the will to live half way through.

I was in a shopping centre last week and there were dogs in it.

So you are admitting your dog is poorly trained. Our entire family have had dogs for years, well over 30 dogs. Every single dog in our family is properly trained. Most have been working dogs but are family pets when not working.

I am the same with pubs that have dozens of massive screens showing sport. I don't like it. I don't like the noise, the big, loud, boozy groups of blokes it tends to attract or the fact that try as I might my eye is repeatedly drawn to some bloody darts match/minor football game that I would never normally look at.

Perhaps like the dog thing, more pubs now have big screens because I've read it makes them more money. It's harder to find pubs without screens now so I go out of my way beforehand and whilst I'm out and about to find pubs without them. I make an effort.

I don't begrudge the pubs making money, I don't begrudge the people who like watching sport - good on 'em. I just steer clear.

I’d sooner avoid both. But I accept that parents have to take their kids everywhere. Dogs can be left. 🤷‍♀️

Why won't dog owners accept that the reason these threads pop up all the time is because there is a large percentage of animal owners who have incredibly badly-behaved dogs?

Dogs who jump up, bark, beg for food at tables. Dogs who have no recall. Owners who see no need to remove their pets when they are getting in other people's personal space and just smile on indulgently saying "he's just friendly".

Nobody has an issue with an ancient, biddable labrador snoozing in front of the fire at a country pub, as it used to be 15 years ago. People do have issues with poorly-behaved and poorly-trained animals which cannot be left on their own so their useless owners think they have to take them everywhere with them.,

I agree with Icecreamandcoffee's post. Dogs shouldn't jump up at people, or climb or sit on furniture in public places. They shouldn't beg/bark/react. They should be trained and handled sufficiently well that they don't pull on the lead or scent mark in inappropriate places, or approach strangers.
I'll say it again: I like dogs. None of these behaviours are a dog's fault. It is down to owners who don't know how to or don't seem to think they need to train/socialise/handle them.

We could scroll on by and dog haters could go somewhere without dogs. Yet here we all are. Again.

It seems everywhere I go there are massive dogs in cafes and bars. Ok as well behaved. But what I really dislike is the young waiting staff petting them and then serving food/ handing out cutlery without washing their hands. Some may and I don't see them perhaps but the speed of petting and then serving makes me think not. So for me it's a hygiene peeve.

Yawn 🥱

But could you do that @Gingercatlover if nearly every day you encountered threads saying such terrible things about cats? E.g. that the are anti-social shit?

Dear god, @Icecreamandcoffee , all that judgement. How do you get through the day?!