to think it’s time to ban dogs from shops and cafes?

If you choose to bring a dog to a public place and have to leave it outside of that place, it’s just a risk you have to take. Even locked cars are easily stolen.

I pointed out that many Swiss shops have clips outside to attach dogs to, that demonstrates that it’s a viable solution.

Maybe if you feel you need a lock, dogs could be locked to posts with a bike lock if a clip isn’t enough and dog owners don’t want to pay to use a cage.

Yes, it is ridiculous to say you've seen loads of dogs when you've seen loads of dogs

You must have had an unusual day. We know Bath well,used to live there and don’t see many, we don’t take ours because it’s so dog unfriendly. I think others must do the same. It does limit how often we can visit.

I didn't disagree with you about London as you obviously know it better than me.
I believe I know Bath better than you.

Never, in all my lifetime's knowledge of Bath, the population there, the make up of the tourist market have I ever known more people in Bath city centre to have a dog than not have a dog. I'd say it's much less than 1 in 10 or less in the city centre and I can put my hand on my heart to that.

Were you at a dog show perhaps?

Good argument when faced with facts @ConstanzeMozart “you sound really odd”.

As ridiculous as all your claims, really.

Not unlucky, just that statistically I guess many people have dogs, and a high proportion of them are poor owners.
In my local cemetery there was a public consultation on whether or not to allow dogs off leads. Many people opposed it, but sadly the 'my dog needs to run free even over your ancestor's grave or birds' nests brigade were vocal and quite aggressive and won out.
So yes, you may well live in an area with a better class of dog owner. And/or a council with the balls to stand up to entitled people.

Like the old instore trolly bays. Pay £1 and store your trolly while you go to the cafe.

But dog crates haha that’s actually pretty funny.

Well cars get locked don't they? Also some dogs are stolen to be used for dog fighting and some so they can try and get money from the owner to have them returned. No responsible dog owner with even half a brain would leave a dog outside a shop or restaurant.

I mentioned children because they are just as annoying if not more so and we all have to put up with them don't we. People go on about dogs sitting on chairs which I have never seen but I have seen plenty of children standing on chairs. I saw 2 today in 2 different eating places but oh I guess that is ok?

Hi, I was someone who mentioned a shopping centre. Certainly not talking shite, give it a quick google if you think so. I can understand people disagreeing with an argument but calling me a liar just because the shopping centres near you aren’t dog friendly is a bit silly.

Dog cages.
BINGO!

I don't disagree. Many kids in cafes etc are a public nuisance.

Visitors to Bath come to visit museums, go to the theatre, visit the pump rooms, thermae spa, No1 Royal cresent etc. They can't take dogs there. They don't have dogs with them.
Oh, I must have hallucinated the dogs then. My mistake.

You sound really odd.
I'd still quite like to know if you generally go round telling people 'you did not see x' and 'you were not in a minority' with such authority.

Sadly so many parents are not responsible either. Children running around when there is hot food and drink being carried by people. Children playing chase round shops and eating places. Children screaming and their parents never taking them outside.

Oh yes I don’t want children ruining riot either or load squealing also I don’t want to hear pepper pig while eating in a restaurant.

People leave cars outside unattended. Sometimes they get stolen. But they don’t drive their cars into Tesco with them just in case do they ?

I mean, you could ask for cages instead if clips aren’t secure enough.

Not sure why you mentioned children, this thread is about dogs.

I mean you must be unlucky that you see dogs on chairs, barking, wandering around not on a lead because I have never seen it even though we go to eating places a few times a week and have done for quite a while.

We also regularly walk our dog in 2 local cemeteries and, again, have never seen a dog offlead. Maybe we just live in an area with a better class of dog owner!

10 dogs like ours sure. I'm happy to see well-trained and well-handled dogs in public too.
Sadly IME many owners are not as responsible and capable as you are.

It doesn't matter to me at all, it's a discussion, but as I say, I know Bath well and those without dogs are never in the minority.

Less than half of Bath households own a dog.
At any given time Central Bath is at least 50% tourists, most of them from overseas, so they don't have dogs.

Visitors to Bath come to visit museums, go to the theatre, visit the pump rooms, thermae spa, No1 Royal cresent etc. They can't take dogs there. They don't have dogs with them.

You were not in a minority.

You did not see ‘loads of dogs’ in Bath, and zone 2 has a perfectly normal quantity of dogs

Sorry, what?
Where do you get off trying to tell me how many dogs I saw or didn't see? Do you generally speak to people like that?
What's a 'perfectly normal quantity of dogs'?
Why do you feel that my comments are the same as saying I've seen ‘rivers of shit'?

Yeah they are not allowed in our city shopping centre either.

The smaller retail parks and the stores outside of the mall then yeah often dogs.

Though regarding what I said about dogs should be outside at pubs I take it back if it’s a proper country pub in the countryside then I must admit nothing like seeing a sleeping pooch in front of a proper wood fire. I expect to see dogs in countryside pubs.

Actually saw a dog in an arcade the other week. That also seemed odd to me. Since they are very busy noisy places with lots of people moving about. I’d worry about the dog getting stepped on and then biting out.

We went to a cafe last week with our dog who laid under the table quietly and was no bother at all. A couple at another table had 2 children who were screaming and running round getting under the staff's feet and generally being a pain.

When the couple left their table and the floor were absolutely covered in crumbs, smears of sauce, bits of food. It was absolutely disgusting. The poor staff were not happy. One said to us that they would rather have 10 dogs like ours in than 1 child like the awful illbehaved brats

We have never ever seen a dog sitting on a chair. We also have never seen a dog wandering around not on a lead or doing a pee or poo. Either some people are liars or they have just been unlucky
I'm not a liar and I'm not sure anyone on here who's described those things is either
I've seen multiple dogs sitting on a chair in cafes.
I frequently see dogs off-lead in my local cemetery, as mentioned above (yes I know it's technically allowed, but I think it shows a staggering amount of entitlement and/or lack of common sense to let your dog wander in a cemetery and bird reserve).

I also frequently see them off-lead in my neighbourhood on the streets, which are not central-London busy but can be quite busy, and are in places narrow.

I was recently at a cafe with outdoor seating and there were at an estimate seven dogs wandering around between the tables, on a long dragging lead or not on a lead at all. Some were barking/growling in reaction to each other while owners did nothing but carried on eating and chatting.
I don't know what you mean by 'unlucky'.

Yes, dogs make people very happy but it doesn't mean they have to be in every bloody establishment! OP is not being unreasonable.

It matters, @ConstanzeMozart , because we always end up with vicious hyperbole on these threads (and there are many). You did not see ‘loads of dogs’ in Bath, and zone 2 has a perfectly normal quantity of dogs. Much like a pp did not see ‘rivers of shit.’ It is lazy commenting, better suited to the fag end of Reddit.

Anyone saying they’re seeing them in shopping centers when I’ve just named the 4 BIGGEST in London that dogs aren’t allowed - NAME them.

This will do 2 services - it will let the dog hating lobby know where to go for a day out

and the dog loving lobby let them know where they CAN’T go

Because the VAST majority of shopping centers are not dog friendly

FYI - the ONLY one in the capital city is BATTERSEA power station where dogs are allowed - dogs are allowed in certain parts only