to think it’s time to ban dogs from shops and cafes?

It's quite amusing really 😆

Oh dear @MandingoAteMyBaby.

Something must have gone very wrong in your life for this to be your hobby.

Time to walk the dogs up the local hills, looks okay out there. Might even pop into the pub on the way back or a cafe 😆

“Dogs” in a very broad sense have been around for thousands of years, I agree.

Dogs as we know them today - genetically engineered by humans for their own amusement - have not; they’re not natural and wouldn’t even exist were it not for humans.

Perhaps cages could be made a bit prettier, call it a kennel or crate instead.

Me too. Want to get out to the location and get the walk circuit done and get to the café before their brunch menu ends. Both the walk and this café are new ones for us today.

See you there @Gloriia ? 😂

Owners know if their dogs are comfortable in busy cafes much better than you do. My dog loves a pub. Will actively head towards them given the chance (which is often a good excuse for a pint).

There are plenty of dog free places for a coffee. There are plenty of dog friendly cafes. We can live and let live without ever treading on each others toes.

What’s cruel about clipping a dog by the leash to a wall ?
The dog could be attacked, released or stolen and used for cruel purposes.

For those worried that isn’t secure then a cage could be proivded. Not a veal crate, there would be room for movement. Zoos keep animals in cages, it happens. Not cruel.
Veal crates have been banned in Europe for 20 years.
Most zoos are moving away from keeping animals in cages.
"Room for movement" - give me strength.

On days when the temperature is safe to do so, there’s literally nothing wrong with leaving a dog in the car. Some modern cars even have a dog mode to keep the temperature safe.
Not everyone has a modern car.
The temperature in cars fluctuates hugely and cannot be relied upon not to change. On previous threads you've suggested dogs be kept in cars/cages overnight.

I would prefer dogs banned everywhere, I find them extremely antisocial, and a phenomenon that very selfish people impose on the rest of us, similar to smoking. That’s not controversial. Smokers cause health problems for others, and so do dogs. Smoking causes litter and pollution and so do dogs.
Dogs were here long before you. Humans have lived alongside them for tens of thousands of years.

The children in cages thing is dreadful.

You might want to have a read of their previous posts @Gloriia . They are properly weird.

Well, like many people on this thread I’m off now for a walk and coffee with my lovely pups. It will be mainly dog walkers in the cafe I choose (hurrah) because the weather isn’t great. Bring on the slobber!

No. Simple.

Everything has been covered yes burt e are still allowed to contribute thanks.

Walk your dogs, leave at home go for coffee. Simple. They don't like crowded noisy places. More importantly many don't like dogs in coffee shops so think about others.

She did the old ‘can’t have any friends if they take their dog to cafes’ line on another thread. Not one to listen to when it comes to decent behaviour.

Everything you have just said has already been covered ad infinitum up thread.

I didn't say be polite I said challenge them fine but announcing there is 'something wrong with someone' is a bit venomous in itself, no?

What’s cruel about clipping a dog by the leash to a wall ? I showed earlier that for example in Switzerland clips are provided for that purpose.

For those worried that isn’t secure then a cage could be proivded. Not a veal crate, there would be room for movement. Zoos keep animals in cages, it happens. Not cruel.

On days when the temperature is safe to do so, there’s literally nothing wrong with leaving a dog in the car. Some modern cars even have a dog mode to keep the temperature safe.

I would prefer dogs banned everywhere, I find them extremely antisocial, and a phenomenon that very selfish people impose on the rest of us, similar to smoking. That’s not controversial. Smokers cause health problems for others, and so do dogs. Smoking causes litter and pollution and so do dogs.

Nothing I have suggested is cruel or unheard of.

It was the dog lovers who suggested putting children in the cages btw.

She’s ok with nasty comments if the person has similar opinions to her.

To be honest, this is not my experience at all. Within my friendship group we finally all got kids that are school age and were beginning to get our lives back.

Then a couple of my friends got dogs and it’s like being back to square one. They can go in the odd café or pub but other than that it’s pretty limited. I actually find it really boring that now the only thing we can ever do is go for a muddy cold walk in the park. I’ve been trying to book a weekend away with my best friend and trying to find a half decent cottage somewhere near London that accepts dogs is actually really difficult. particularly when you now need an enclosed garden area, somewhere to put the dog bed and good walks on the doorstep.

I love dogs but I hate how constrained they make your life. Seeing my friends go through this has made me realise I will never get a dog!

Well yes we have to but the point is we shouldn't have to.

Really it is common sense to walk a dog then leave it a home for a bit. Be responsible owners, think of what's best for your poor dog and crowded noisy places are not it.

Try and be considerate to others. Owners of cafes may allow dogs but others do not want them there. Why be that person that everyone without a dog thinks ffs when they're enjoying a coffee and cake and they see a dog at the next table?!

Why be polite to that particular poster,@Gloriia ? Their contributions spit with venom.
And I see we’re back to the bingo card! Yapping, bums on seats, scratching, slobbering…I remain intrigued as to where all these reprobate dogs are, and even if they do exist why don’t you go to dog free places??!!

Jesus, it’s not hard.

100% agree @timetoban, not because of dog attacks but because it's unnecessary and the doggie community often don't respect the boundaries of others. I had coffee in my nearest departmenr store last week. There were two designer poo/doodle dogs, both were yapping at each other, neither owner removed one. It was unpleasant and I won't go there again.

Similarly the last time I went to Peter Jones's kitchen section, there were a couple of designerish yappers about. One wagged a glass off a shelf, broken glass, one lifted its leg and pee'd up a display. Neither owner was asked to leave. I won't go there again.

I have challenged them throughout this and other threads.
They are only here to provoke, not engage and their views on dogs are cruel. .

Challenge them politely then or report them if you think there's something untoward, don't just unpleasantly announce 'there's something wrong with them'.

Go to dog free places then.

Go to dog free places then.

How do you know?