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FriskyHeeler · 10/04/2026 11:59

I've worked at my current employer for 3 years and recently had a change in circumstances (in February) which means I have no childcare for my 3 children after school for 1-2 days out of the week. They have been understanding and accomodated my needs so far but have asked me to look at what realistic options are available and have called a meeting for next week to discuss, as the situation is not sustainable long term. I'll outline the facts below, please read carefully because it's not as simple a solution as most people seem to think.

  • I work 8.30 - 5pm Monday to Friday and it takes me 30 mins to get to and from work.
  • My husband works 8 - 4.30 Monday to Friday, his office is an hour away and he works from home on Thursdays and Fridays. Soon to be 3 days a week. He used to work nights, so would drop off and pick up the kids each day, however the strain on family life, our relationship, his mental health was not sustainable and he had numerous breakdowns over a long period of time and he changed jobs. Not ideal but I won't make my husband do a job he hated when it made him want to kill himself every day. He can be quite volatile and in the past this has affected work when he last left for periods of time so I've been left to sort the kids 100% of the time, at times. Work know things are rocky and my line manager thinks I should leave him but this would only make the situation more difficult.
  • Our kids are 3, 5 & 9. The 3 & 5 year olds attend the same school/nursery and the 9 year old attends a different school.
  • 2 out of the 3 kids have special needs and are settled in their schools. They previously attended the same primary school but had serious issues so we had to move them.
  • Both schools have breakfast club, 1 starts at 7.50 and the other at 8.10, this obviously means I am often 10 mins late to work on the days they are in club.
  • Neither school has ANY after school provision.
  • We unfortunately live in an area where wrap around care isn't in demand, so options are pretty non existent.
  • There are no childminders in the area that currently or are willing to pick up from either/both of their schools.
  • Their are a couple of local nurseries that do after school club and they collect the kids from school and walk back to their premises. 1 of my kids is a flight risk so I do not feel comfortable with this as an option. He has escaped and ran off from his old school twice before.
  • We cannot afford a nanny, prices are between £15 - 20 and hour when I have enquired and tbh, given my kids additional needs, I don't think anyone would last a week with them, they are VERY full on.
  • My dad can collect the kids 1 day a week at an absolute push but it's his only day off and if he has plans it's not a given he can do it, I don't expect him to plan his life around MY kids. My dad works the other 4 days a week and my mom doesn't work but has stopped driving for health reasons so cannot pick them up and she is not physically able to walk/get the bus etc and as previously stated, 1 of them is a flight risk and she wouldnt be able to run after him if needed. A taxi for her to pick them up and go back to hers would be far too expensive multiple times a week as she has done this once before in an emergency and it was £30 for one pick up, let alone 2.
  • There are no other parents at either of their schools that we know well enough to ask. We have no other friends or family in the area at all, aside from my mom and dad.
  • So far, on days where my husband is in the office, I finish work at 14:40, pick up the kids from school and then log on at home for the remainder of the day, sometimes beyond 5pm.
  • I am a supervisor and our team is growing and I will be responsible for up to 12 people eventually so work are saying I cannot effectively supervise if I am not in the office. We also have a lot of new team members (one being another supervisor) who are not fully trained so things tend to fall to shit a lot of them time if I am not there.
  • Not to toot my own horn but i am the glue that holds the entire team together, and effectively, if I were to leave because I need more long term flexibility, they would be absolutely fucked. My line manager and our department manager knows this all too well, but are still pressuring me to find some magical solution that doesn't exist so I can be there 8.30-5 every single day. They've not said they will get rid of me, and I don't think they would, but they're saying I need to work my hours I am employed to do. I agree with this and have no issues with that, I've often said I will taken leave, take the time unpaid etc and they have always said no.
  • I could put in a flexible working request to reduce my hours 1-2 days a week, but it would actually be a waste of time, as they can and would refuse it for a legitimate business reason.

I don't know what to do or what I'm supposed to say during this meeting. If you've thought of something I haven't explored above then please please let me know. I'm obviously going to explain all of the above in detail about what I've looked into and why it's not a viable option and see what they say. I'm also considering telling them I'm looking else where for something more flexible in the hope that they back down, but I don't actually want to leave, I really do enjoy working there and don't want to jump ship and end up being somewhere I don't like, or having to take a pay cut that I can't really afford.

OP posts:
FriskyHeeler · 10/04/2026 18:43

BudgetBuster · 10/04/2026 18:33

Exactly. It's. It effective for anyone.
I have staff who work flexibly for me (as do I) and absolutely nobody can have the kids at home and work... we offer flexible.woeking for school drop offs etc.

If the OPs husband already has mental health problems, he may crack in this situation. I know I couldn't look after 3 kids and work.

His normal hours are 8 - 4.30. He works 8.15 - 3pm has an hour's lunch where he collects the kids, that only leaves 45 mins of working time. He more than makes up for that working when they have gone to bed. Not that they are monitoring his hours when at home.

OP posts:
TheRealMagic · 10/04/2026 18:41

Elanol · 10/04/2026 16:30

The other main staff member that reports to me is good, but he doesn't like my line manager and seems to rile her up when I am off by not following process (which are a bit overkill and he doesn't like doing).

OP, this isn't your problem and needs to be addressed directly with him. You can't have staff sabotaging the work because they don't like her. This is part of the problem. Your employer needs to be dealing with this.

This is a key factor in ensuring things can function without you. This is one way your employer absolutely can and should be supporting you with. It seems that you being 'indispensable' is partly down to their lack of intervention to prevent it.

Is OP not his line manager? If so, I think the fact he is insubordinate is very much her problem to address!

harriethoyle · 10/04/2026 18:41

The reality is this @FriskyHeeler - your work are expecting to do your job as per your contract.

if you can’t, the onus is on you to suggest feasible ways around it. Not them.

Anyahyacinth · 10/04/2026 18:40

Apologies if its already been said. There are keeping people in employment schemes flying around at the minute...I think some are trail blazers in W Yorkshire for example an employee in danger of leaving for health issues etc..can be granted £5000 for support with issues they are facing to be spent in any way. Have you costed the Nanny / specialist transport option and asked work for help? (Having won a giant contract) There are grant making trusts for specific industries and others for the needs of SEN children who would likely be tuning into this current government priority of keeping people in work for relatively little compared to possible welfare bill?

jellyfish798 · 10/04/2026 18:38

OP, hope you can find a solution and just ignore the blunt pointless replies on here. Can you get some professional advice - maybe ACAS as a first port of call? They helped me to find out my rights and how to navigate a situation, and you can reach out to them in confidence.

I think you've given it lots of thought and you're trying your best to figure it out. Fingers crossed for you

I bet a lot of the commenters here sticking their heads in the sand rather than looking for constructive solutions, also moan on other threads about mums on benefits...well if employers don't help parents then ppl have to give up jobs (mostly women) and the cycle of women struggling to find a child friendly job continues.
Shame on you lot with your computer says no attitude - you're the reasons there's so many shit managers who are just like "not my problem" rather than trying to retain good staff

NoCommentingFromNowOn · 10/04/2026 18:36

I feel like you’re doing a lot to keep the place going, extras that you are doing unseen eg working through lunch, smoothing things over with staff, doing things so difficulties don’t arise with difficult characters, answering queries on your day off etc. Is it possible that they don’t realise how much you’re doing behind the scenes?

If you stopped doing these extras, and only did what you’re supposed to do, then watched things fail, would they realise what they would lose if you left ie not the 9-5 but the extras? Would that give you more bargaining room?

If you quit your job what would happen? Would you be entitled to benefits? If so, how much? Then minus childcare that wouldn’t be needed throughout the year, have you looked into that?

BudgetBuster · 10/04/2026 18:33

Shittyyear2025 · 10/04/2026 18:30

But your DH can't WFH effectively either, with 3dc at home...

Exactly. It's. It effective for anyone.
I have staff who work flexibly for me (as do I) and absolutely nobody can have the kids at home and work... we offer flexible.woeking for school drop offs etc.

If the OPs husband already has mental health problems, he may crack in this situation. I know I couldn't look after 3 kids and work.

Happyhappyday · 10/04/2026 18:31

I feel like I would say, I’ve explored all childcare options and am unable to find one that meets my family’s needs and will allow me to do the hours you want. The go forward paths I see are xyz (ie, stay as you are, reduce hours etc). And if they push, I’d probably go with something like, no one wants to solve this problem more than me but the complexities of our children’s needs mean options open to other families are closed to us. I would not go into a ton of detail about your family life. Other than high level, husband has explored and gotten the maximum accommodations he can get from current employer, we’ve explored school, nursery, family, nanny and child minder provision. Only available option that is currently not viable is a nanny, I would need a salary of xxx for this to be workable financially.

If they tried to run through suggestions with me, I would politely shut it down and say I appreciate the desire to help but I have researched exhaustively already.

At the end of the day, sometimes a job is not compatible with family needs. It really stinks but also, as you’re finding, sometimes there is no magic solution.

FriskyHeeler · 10/04/2026 18:31

BudgetBuster · 10/04/2026 18:19

I suspect that the husbands prior job was more lucrative in terms of pay... but yes, i think the OP is also perhaps exaggerating the supervision role in the very niche department she has (with a completely incompetent team) given they can't afford a nanny for 8 hours a week.

I haven't overexaggerated anything, as you say yes my husbands previous job was very lucrative and his current job based salary is not. However he can earn commission, but it's not instant.

And as I have also said in my posts, we've been financially irresponsible in the past.

OP posts:
Phineyj · 10/04/2026 18:30

I mean to be fair nannies for 3 kids with SEN experience and a clean driving licence and their own car aren't cheap or easy to find.

I live in one of the most populated parts of the country and the nanny we had from Koru Kids for about 9 hours a week briefly in 2020 cost us a fortune - not because the hourly rate was so unreasonable (although you do have to pay tax on it and/or an agency fee that includes that) but because of the cost of insuring a 20 something on our car...

The driving is often the sticking point and sounds essential in the OP's situation.

Shittyyear2025 · 10/04/2026 18:30

FriskyHeeler · 10/04/2026 15:34

Regarding the financials, the reason we can't afford regular childcare, is because our outgoings are very high in comparison to our earnings. We have unfortunately not been very financially responsible in the past and we are paying for it now. I can't reduce our outgoings any further and with 3 kids to find holiday childcare for, we don't have much additional money for fun stuff. My husband picks up a shift here and there from his old nights job so we can afford to pay for food and fuel.

I get cutting my hours would cost me money. What I'm more inclined to want to do is as some people have suggested in still doing 40 hours a week, but starting earlier when my husband is working from home so there is no drop in pay.

But your DH can't WFH effectively either, with 3dc at home...

Maddy70 · 10/04/2026 18:22

Your personal circumstances are not their concern. You either pay a nanny or put , face book add for a sixth former to collect and entertain after school etc

Most parents have to negotiate these hurdles. You need to have a plan before your meeting

permanently · 10/04/2026 18:21

OP have you considered live in help eg an au pair? They just need their own room with a door and for you I’d say a drivers license.

BudgetBuster · 10/04/2026 18:19

BCSurvivor · 10/04/2026 18:14

I'm wondering that too.
OP seems to have maybe exaggerated her (indispensable) position.

Edited

I suspect that the husbands prior job was more lucrative in terms of pay... but yes, i think the OP is also perhaps exaggerating the supervision role in the very niche department she has (with a completely incompetent team) given they can't afford a nanny for 8 hours a week.

shuffleofftobuffalo · 10/04/2026 18:16

What a difficult situation OP.

what strikes me the most is your description of your job and the way you’re working. It sounds utterly miserable and thankless and toxic. Being “indispensable” is awful and usually means you’re being throughly taken for granted (I bet if you try to put in some boundaries it won’t go down well). No breaks is unhealthy and being so available is unsustainable. At some point it will catch up with you.

I understand what you’ve said about leaving not being an option, but I think you should put it on the table (for yourself, don’t threaten it to them!). You have no idea if there is something better/different/equal out there in terms of flexibility because you’re not exploring that option.

I won’t comment on the childcare solutions as it’s outside my experience, but I hope you manage to work it all out soon.

BCSurvivor · 10/04/2026 18:14

Hobbitfeet32 · 10/04/2026 17:29

im curious to know household income where you can be in an important full time job with husband also working full time, made a choice to have 3 children but cannot afford wrap around care for 2 days a week. Even without any additional needs 3 children are always going to cost money and be challenging in terms of managing full time work

I'm wondering that too.
OP seems to have maybe exaggerated her (indispensable) position.

BudgetBuster · 10/04/2026 18:10

PunnyPlumPanda · 10/04/2026 17:54

They have to be within only 8 reasons to decline if I remember rightly though? It’s quite strict

Well I think OP has already said she can't actually manage her team from home and it all falls to shit so I'd say that's probably a good enough reason...?

Motheranddaughter · 10/04/2026 18:10

PunnyPlumPanda · 10/04/2026 17:54

They have to be within only 8 reasons to decline if I remember rightly though? It’s quite strict

Still can usually be done

Purplebunnie · 10/04/2026 18:03

Would any of the TAs at the school be willing to help? I used a TA during school holidays to look after my DCs. She was grateful for the money, knew the DCs and I could go to work.

Loulou4022 · 10/04/2026 17:58

PunnyPlumPanda · 10/04/2026 17:57

Employers can legally reject a flexible working request based on eight specific business reasons, as outlined by Acas, including excessive extra costs, inability to reorganize work, negative impacts on performance or customer demand, or planned structural changes. The request must be considered in consultation with the employee before a decision is made, and refusal must be based on genuine, evidence-based operational grounds.
Acas +4
Valid reasons to refuse a flexible working request include:

[Burden of additional costs]: The arrangement is too expensive for the business.
[Inability to reorganise work]: Existing staff cannot cover the duties.
[Inability to recruit additional staff]: It is not feasible to hire someone else to fill the gap.
[Detrimental impact on quality]: The change will lower the quality of work.
[Detrimental impact on performance]: The change will affect the ability to meet targets or performance standards.
[Detrimental effect on customer demand]: The business cannot meet customer needs during the requested hours.
[Insufficient work during proposed times]: There is not enough work for the employee to do during their requested times.
[Planned structural changes]: The company intends to reorganize, and the request does not fit the new structure.

Based on this they will probably reject the flexible working based on a number of those reasons

PunnyPlumPanda · 10/04/2026 17:57

FriskyHeeler · 10/04/2026 17:55

It's been many years since I last did a flexible working request but I think you might be right

Employers can legally reject a flexible working request based on eight specific business reasons, as outlined by Acas, including excessive extra costs, inability to reorganize work, negative impacts on performance or customer demand, or planned structural changes. The request must be considered in consultation with the employee before a decision is made, and refusal must be based on genuine, evidence-based operational grounds.
Acas +4
Valid reasons to refuse a flexible working request include:

[Burden of additional costs]: The arrangement is too expensive for the business.
[Inability to reorganise work]: Existing staff cannot cover the duties.
[Inability to recruit additional staff]: It is not feasible to hire someone else to fill the gap.
[Detrimental impact on quality]: The change will lower the quality of work.
[Detrimental impact on performance]: The change will affect the ability to meet targets or performance standards.
[Detrimental effect on customer demand]: The business cannot meet customer needs during the requested hours.
[Insufficient work during proposed times]: There is not enough work for the employee to do during their requested times.
[Planned structural changes]: The company intends to reorganize, and the request does not fit the new structure.

FriskyHeeler · 10/04/2026 17:55

PunnyPlumPanda · 10/04/2026 17:54

They have to be within only 8 reasons to decline if I remember rightly though? It’s quite strict

It's been many years since I last did a flexible working request but I think you might be right

OP posts:
PunnyPlumPanda · 10/04/2026 17:54

Motheranddaughter · 10/04/2026 17:47

It’s normally not difficult for an employer to find a reason not to allow flexible working

They have to be within only 8 reasons to decline if I remember rightly though? It’s quite strict

Loub1987 · 10/04/2026 17:49

Ultimately OP, no one can tell you what to do or what will be accepted. Sit down look at the care needs, map out what you need and request it. Look at small things like reducing your lunch from 1 hour to 20 mins for example. Then have a frank and honest conversation with your manager.

Motheranddaughter · 10/04/2026 17:47

keepincool · 10/04/2026 15:07

Well luckily for you OP they can't put a blanket ban on flexible working:

Re‑frame the problem before the meeting
Right now, work are treating this as:
“You need to find childcare so you can do your contracted hours.”
What it actually is:
“A permanent change in caring responsibilities that intersects with an employer’s legal duties around flexible working, carers, and discrimination by association.”

That doesn’t mean the employer must agree to anything you ask - but it does mean:

  • They must consider solutions reasonably
  • They must consult properly
  • They must explore alternatives, not just say “be here 8.30–5 every day or else”

This is explicitly set out in Acas guidance and UK law. [acas.org.uk], [gov.uk]

Employees can request flexible working from day one
Employers must consult before refusing
Refusal must be based on evidence, not preference or convenience [acas.org.uk], [gov.uk]
Even if they ultimately say no, they must:

  • Discuss alternatives
  • Explain why each alternative doesn’t work
  • Saying “you must be in the office 8.30–5 every day” without exploring adjusted patterns is not reasonable handling.

Two of your children have additional needs. Under the Equality Act, you are protected from being treated unfavourably because of your association with disabled dependants.
That includes:

  • Rigid working patterns that disproportionately disadvantage you
  • Pressure that would not be applied to someone without caring responsibilities

This is well‑established in guidance from Carers UK and Working Families. [carersuk.org], [workingfam...ies.org.uk]

You don’t need to say “discrimination claim”. You can say:
“Because two of my children have additional needs, some childcare options that might be available to other families aren’t safe or appropriate. I need us to factor that into what is reasonable.” That is factual, not confrontational.

At the meeting, don't spend the whole time re‑explaining why nurseries, childminders, taxis and nannies won’t work. You've already done that.
Instead, say something like:
“I have explored all reasonable childcare options locally. There is no safe, affordable or sustainable after‑school care available for two days a week. This is not a temporary issue, and it’s not one I can personally fix.”
That shifts the conversation from “try harder” to “ok, what can work at work?”

What you can realistically put on the table (practical options)
Go in with work‑based solutions, not childcare solutions.

Option A: Formalise what’s already happening

  • Leaving at 14:40
  • Logging back on
  • Working her full hours / beyond

You could propose:

  • Two fixed days a week with adjusted hours
  • Being contactable and accountable during those times
  • Clear cover / escalation arrangements

This aligns with Acas guidance that flexibility can include partial changes, not all‑or‑nothing

Option B: Compressed or staggered hours
Example:

  • 8.00–4.30 on childcare days
  • Longer days on others to balance hours

This is explicitly recognised as a form of flexible working under UK law.

Option C: Role‑based adjustment* *(not demotion)
If they argue supervision requires presence:

  • Could certain supervisory duties be anchored to office days?
  • Could deputy cover be formalised?
  • Could training responsibilities be scheduled on core days?

Employers must consider role adaptations, not just raw hours, before refusal.

It might be worth a chat with ACAS prior to the meeting if you can?

Edited

It’s normally not difficult for an employer to find a reason not to allow flexible working

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