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AIBU to find the comedian Katherine Ryan's turn to the right surprising?

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exceptmeandmymonkey · 10/04/2026 10:38

I was raised by a single mum and really liked Katherine Ryan's early standup that mostly focused on being a single mum in crap relationships. Several years ago she hooked up with her childhood sweetheart and had several kids with him, and since then her persona has taken quite a turn.

She defended the manosphere participants in Louis Theroux's recent docs, said that she liked Jordan Peterson, and today on social has featured her partner talking about how the moon landing is a conspiracy. Partner is 'not academic' I'll say politely, and MAGA-adjacent. He doesn't work and is a full time dad yet Katherine does the vast majority of childcare (and all of the earning) whilst he golfs. Clearly she got a lot of negative feedback from her (100% women and gay men) audience on her manosphere comments, because she backtracked a bit.

The situation seems like something she would have laughed at years ago, and it's been strange to see her comedy twist to support this, claiming she's always had provocative views.

I don't see any celebs as heroes so this isn't a 'my hero isn't who I expected' just more of a wow, didn't see this twist coming.

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GreenFingeredClara · 11/04/2026 17:45

I'm bored by celebrities and stopped paying attention to her/her comedy long ago. There were a few things I found annoying and, far from noticing any move to the right, at the time I was dismayed that she seemed to enthusiastically embrace gender ideology, which - although being sex realist doesn't fall neatly along right/left lines - seems to be far more prevalent with the 'progressive left' that most comedians align with for audience approval.

Shedmistress · 11/04/2026 17:38

5128gap · 11/04/2026 17:32

He has invented a problem for women, their own biological predisposition to be not as good as men at the big stuff, and lied to women that their biology is the reason they are less successful and earn less.
He then presents a solution to the problem, that women can overcome their biological inferiority by learning the superior behaviour men display due to their biology.
If women believe the initial lie, they are interested in the second lie and JP keeps being invited to speak and his work is read.

And you think thousands of women fall for this and throw their money at him?

5128gap · 11/04/2026 17:32

Shedmistress · 11/04/2026 17:24

How is it a grift?

He has invented a problem for women, their own biological predisposition to be not as good as men at the big stuff, and lied to women that their biology is the reason they are less successful and earn less.
He then presents a solution to the problem, that women can overcome their biological inferiority by learning the superior behaviour men display due to their biology.
If women believe the initial lie, they are interested in the second lie and JP keeps being invited to speak and his work is read.

Shedmistress · 11/04/2026 17:24

5128gap · 11/04/2026 17:22

Presumably because she took advantage of his teachings and became more like a man. She's not the weakness in his argument, she's the advert for his grift.

How is it a grift?

5128gap · 11/04/2026 17:22

Shedmistress · 11/04/2026 17:20

If this was the case why is his own daughter able to manage being a mother and a CEO?

Presumably because she took advantage of his teachings and became more like a man. She's not the weakness in his argument, she's the advert for his grift.

Shedmistress · 11/04/2026 17:20

5128gap · 11/04/2026 17:12

He states that women are less successful than men because they have biological traits that render them unsuited to leadership and suited to domesticity. In a nutshell, that when it comes to the big stuff, the power, the influence, the public sphere, men are innately better suited to it.
He states the only way women can contribute at this level are if they learn the characteristics of men.
So while he stops short of directly saying women must stay at home and have babies while men rule the world, he slyly messages the same by trying to garner support for mostly debunked biological imperitavism, while doing a bit of a side grift in claiming to be able to teach women to be more like men.
I don't think he's a 'baddie' because he thinks traditional sex based roles are a functional way to structure society. Though I personally disagree.
I think he's a 'baddie' because he's a charlatan. Giving his views fake credibility by pretending they're based in science.

If this was the case why is his own daughter able to manage being a mother and a CEO?

5128gap · 11/04/2026 17:12

Shedmistress · 11/04/2026 16:51

No the info on JP has been 'oh you sweet summer child' (to a 58 year old ex engineer) through to 'he thinks all women must have children' which is total nonsense.

He states that women are less successful than men because they have biological traits that render them unsuited to leadership and suited to domesticity. In a nutshell, that when it comes to the big stuff, the power, the influence, the public sphere, men are innately better suited to it.
He states the only way women can contribute at this level are if they learn the characteristics of men.
So while he stops short of directly saying women must stay at home and have babies while men rule the world, he slyly messages the same by trying to garner support for mostly debunked biological imperitavism, while doing a bit of a side grift in claiming to be able to teach women to be more like men.
I don't think he's a 'baddie' because he thinks traditional sex based roles are a functional way to structure society. Though I personally disagree.
I think he's a 'baddie' because he's a charlatan. Giving his views fake credibility by pretending they're based in science.

Shedmistress · 11/04/2026 16:51

5128gap · 11/04/2026 12:07

People have already explained to you why they dislike the man. They have explained that they dislike him for his sexist and regressive views about women. Which you chose to counter by saying "well he doesn't campaign for rape...". Which as a qualifier must surely count as the most meagre scrapings from the emptiest of barrels.

No the info on JP has been 'oh you sweet summer child' (to a 58 year old ex engineer) through to 'he thinks all women must have children' which is total nonsense.

Screamingabdabz · 11/04/2026 16:00

bigwidegreyarea · 10/04/2026 21:11

Katherine has never, at any point, been unkind especially not on her way up though. You obviously can choose not to believe that of course. She clawed her way up in a male dominated industry, her onstage persona reflects that. Joan Rivers was her idol. Comedians all speak very highly of Katherine and she has lots of other (mostly left wing) comics as friends - that is how you know she isn’t a dick. Also the thing with her daughter - she changed to sharing her image when she hit 16, which I assume is because that was an age that her, her daughter and possibly her daughter’s father agreed she could be shown. Remember also that Katherine was a single mother prior to marrying her partner, and was therefore tighter on online safety as a result. Anyway that’s just my bit, I’m not mates with Katherine but have friends that are. I don’t like seeing women taking other women down with little evidence.

That chimes with my impression of her, having seen her several times doing live stand up. The way she dealt with audience members and theatre staff. She’s respectful and lovely.

And she kept her integrity over the whole Russell Brand brouhaha.

I think this thread smacks of internalised misogny - smacking down a talented woman for being chippy and unapologetic.

NoSoapJustUseShowerGel · 11/04/2026 13:35

Freysimo · 11/04/2026 13:19

I don't particularly like Katherine Ryan so rarely see her on TV. I do remember her face on a TV show straight after the Brexit result, like a slapped arse! I don't think she's even slightly right wing.

She wasn’t ten years ago when the brexit vote happened. Then she got together with her right wing husband.

bigwidegreyarea · 11/04/2026 13:31

PollyBell · 11/04/2026 05:47

If you are that close that you know her personally is it appropriate to speak about her with that much detail

V little personal detail here though is there?

bigwidegreyarea · 11/04/2026 13:30

nomas · 11/04/2026 04:25

Katherine has never, at any point, been unkind especially not on her way up though.

You say you don’t know her so how can you say that? Have you shadowed her entire career?

Oh god are you really going to interrogate this… fine, imagine the sentence starts with ‘as far as I am aware’. Better?

Mintchocs · 11/04/2026 13:25

exceptmeandmymonkey · 10/04/2026 14:25

I actually agree with you, so perhaps have made my point clumsily and will clarify.

My reaction isn't 'Katherine's views don't align 100% with mine.' It's that KR held herself up as a mouthy, confident, funny single mum who was fairly left leaning on everything that she gave an opinion on.

Since getting together with her husband, her persona has shifted to:

  • agreeing with her self-avowed conspiracy theorist husband that people never landed on the moon and that Hillary Clinton literally trafficked children for sex via the basement of a pizza restaurant
  • is anti vax and rejects birth control based on MAHA/crunchy anti vax mum 'understanding' of 'the science'
  • has said manosphere and Jordan Peterson make great points (here, she stands with her pal Jimmy Carr)
  • brings in 100% of the income and works her tits off, whilst doing the lion's share of childcare, while also having a full-time nanny, whereas her 'SAHD' spouse is away from home multiple days per week golfing for a full day -- seems like something she would have scoffed at 5 years ago

So for me it’s less about politics, more that the shift feels quite stark.

So apparently she just spoke at a huge disinformation summit in cambridge about using comedy to tell stories or some such thing. Can anyone explain why they would have hired her for that if she believes conspiracy theories?! Seems to make a bit of a mockery of the conference.

Freysimo · 11/04/2026 13:19

I don't particularly like Katherine Ryan so rarely see her on TV. I do remember her face on a TV show straight after the Brexit result, like a slapped arse! I don't think she's even slightly right wing.

Marmalademorning · 11/04/2026 13:08

Absolutely nothing wrong with Jordan Peterson. He’s a very clever man.

5128gap · 11/04/2026 12:07

Shedmistress · 11/04/2026 11:51

Asking why a man is a baddie is not 'defending him'. He has a right to his opinions, I'm intrigued as to why him in particular was mentioned as being the straw that broke the OP's opinion of a comedian.

It is fascinating who people choose to be 'the person who must not be liked'.

People have already explained to you why they dislike the man. They have explained that they dislike him for his sexist and regressive views about women. Which you chose to counter by saying "well he doesn't campaign for rape...". Which as a qualifier must surely count as the most meagre scrapings from the emptiest of barrels.

Shedmistress · 11/04/2026 11:51

5128gap · 11/04/2026 11:01

That's a pretty low bar on which to defend a man.

Asking why a man is a baddie is not 'defending him'. He has a right to his opinions, I'm intrigued as to why him in particular was mentioned as being the straw that broke the OP's opinion of a comedian.

It is fascinating who people choose to be 'the person who must not be liked'.

5128gap · 11/04/2026 11:42

Additup · 11/04/2026 11:25

I completely agree with you. But I believe the polarisation around voting intention is not good or healthy for society - as per the original comment I agreed with pages back.

It makes for a very narrow world view if you can't even consider listening to someone else because they vote for someone you perceive to be 'bad'. I can't get my head round being upset because a musician you like votes a certain way. How do such people live day to day?

Maybe I'm more inclined to think like this because I'm a floating voter? 🤷‍♀️ I really wish reason and common sense would come back.

I think the last paragraph nails it. As a floating voter you vote based on policies and circumstances rather than ideological beliefs, so to you there is little to no correlation between your vote and your character. For a person who always votes one way because they are committed to the underlying values of left or right (sometimes to the extent they will vote against self interest) they see voting behaviour as part of personality.
Its interesting to see, because the uk has always been pretty centrist, regardless of which party is in government, with broad areas of agreement across parties on aims, just difference in how they are achieved. So a left wing and a right wing person could have a perfectly civil conversation where both agreed, for example, that we needed to tackle crime, but just come at the solution from different perspectives.
I think this has changed of late with the rise of more extremist politics leading to more areas of conflict ("Crime is caused by immigrants, send them home!" "Crime is caused by poverty, increase taxes and level up") and hence more judgement of people who have picked a side.

Additup · 11/04/2026 11:25

5128gap · 11/04/2026 11:00

I suppose its because its not always possible to seperate the artist from the art. If you're a fan of someone's work its disappointing if their political views indicate a type of character you don't like. We'd all prefer to think the people we admired for their work, who we spent our money to see/listen to, were our idea of good people, and some people feel this so strongly that if the person is 'bad' in their eyes, it spoils enjoyment of their work.

I completely agree with you. But I believe the polarisation around voting intention is not good or healthy for society - as per the original comment I agreed with pages back.

It makes for a very narrow world view if you can't even consider listening to someone else because they vote for someone you perceive to be 'bad'. I can't get my head round being upset because a musician you like votes a certain way. How do such people live day to day?

Maybe I'm more inclined to think like this because I'm a floating voter? 🤷‍♀️ I really wish reason and common sense would come back.

5128gap · 11/04/2026 11:01

Shedmistress · 11/04/2026 10:33

In basic evolutionary psychology, it is every organism's 'role' to have kids.

He doesn't campaign for systematic rape to ensure that all women MUST have children, does he?

That's a pretty low bar on which to defend a man.

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 11/04/2026 11:01

The only thing you are BU about is calling her a comedian. She’s not funny and her eldest daughter must be mortified about all the things she says about her.

5128gap · 11/04/2026 11:00

Additup · 11/04/2026 10:48

Those are all fair enough points but I'm referring to criticism of famous individuals like KR and KB because of their perceived voting intentions.

If someone's job is an entertainer then I'm interested in how well they do that job. I don't think KR is particularly funny but I am a huge fan of Kate Bush irrespective of who either of vote for.

I suppose its because its not always possible to seperate the artist from the art. If you're a fan of someone's work its disappointing if their political views indicate a type of character you don't like. We'd all prefer to think the people we admired for their work, who we spent our money to see/listen to, were our idea of good people, and some people feel this so strongly that if the person is 'bad' in their eyes, it spoils enjoyment of their work.

NoSoapJustUseShowerGel · 11/04/2026 10:58

Shedmistress · 11/04/2026 10:31

I know exactly who he is.

None of this stacks up to reality which is why I ask questions when he is slated as the boogie man .

If he thinks women should be in the home, why is his wife allowed to work and why is his daughter the CEO of the family teaching academy?

Many people work on a “do as I say not do as I do” basis.

Additup · 11/04/2026 10:48

5128gap · 11/04/2026 10:19

No, it comes from people who's voting behaviour is linked to their values and ethics. Who see it as more than an in the moment decision based on what they feel best benefits them at any given time, but on how they feel society should be organised, and what will bring the greatest benefit to the most people.
If you vote one way or the other because you believe the party most closely aligns with what you believe is moral, sensible, beneficial to society, then it stands to reason you're going to have some reservations about those who think the opposite and see their beliefs as speaking of character.
People from both sides can feel this way. Hence the right getting very angry with left wing people who don't see an issue with immigration, for example. They see it as deeply problematic and dismiss left wing people who disagree as stupid/naive/conspiring to destroy the country and so forth.

Those are all fair enough points but I'm referring to criticism of famous individuals like KR and KB because of their perceived voting intentions.

If someone's job is an entertainer then I'm interested in how well they do that job. I don't think KR is particularly funny but I am a huge fan of Kate Bush irrespective of who either of vote for.

Shedmistress · 11/04/2026 10:33

likelysuspect · 11/04/2026 09:57

Does it need much explanation?

He thinks that a womans role in life is to have kids.

In basic evolutionary psychology, it is every organism's 'role' to have kids.

He doesn't campaign for systematic rape to ensure that all women MUST have children, does he?

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