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AIBU to feel annoyed by fit people refusing to work?

108 replies

Lazypeopleannoyme · 09/04/2026 13:28

I get really annoyed when I see perfectly fit people not working and then complaining that they are forced to go back to work.

I know if a woman that has lost custody of her 3 children. One was put into care with her parents because the father didn’t want to take care. The other 2 are living with their father.

She pays no maintenance for them because she isn’t working. Her benefits are being cut and all she does is complain to the fathers that she has no money and wants them to pay her living costs and her petrol to collect the children.

OP posts:
5128gap · 10/04/2026 08:33

Not sure why you're framing this one specific situation as a widespread thing to be annoyed with 'people' about? If you want to stir up outrage about a widespread problem of 'people' fit to work refusing to do so, then you'd be more compelling if you provided stats on the numbers of people this applies to, with evidence.
If you want people to criticise this particular woman, then you should phrase it as 'AIBU that a woman I know asks her children's fathers for money and claims benefits even though in my opinion she should get a job?'. You could then explain your medical qualifications so we would know your judgement was reliable.

Dancingsquirrels · 10/04/2026 08:24

SanctiMoaniArse · 09/04/2026 17:56

No, you don't.

The "16 hours a week" trap hasn't been a thing since Income Support/Jobseekers Allowance were replaced by Universal Credit. UC has very different rules and conditionality and people don't get to "work under 16 hours a week to retain their benefits". That literally isn't possible under UC rules.

Edited

That's really interesting and helpful to know, thanks

They have been offered more hours and declined. Still think that's wrong, if subsidised by tax payers

youalright · 09/04/2026 23:52

Please leave this woman alone she needs true friends around her she's obviously seriously struggling and you seem oblivious.

Forthesteps · 09/04/2026 23:14

smallglassbottle · 09/04/2026 13:43

Not everyone is employable. There'll always be a percentage of the population whose lives are so chaotic and out of control that they just can't cope with life and therefore can't hold down a job. There's no mechanisms to keep people on the straight and narrow now either. People are free to live how they please with few expectations from society and no one to hold them to account.

Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?

SanctiMoaniArse · 09/04/2026 21:48

UC is not an "out of work benefit" though. About 1/3 of UC claimants are in work (myself included). It might blow some people's minds to hear that I choose to work, despite having a disabled child and no work requirements on my claim, because I enjoy my job and want to set a good example to my DC. I also fully expect my DC to do well at school and hopefully go on to university, which sadly I didn't manage to do myself due to complicated reasons. I do everything I can to support them in their education. And, as part of that, I want them to have access to cultural capital and experiences that will broaden their horizons and support their education, even though we are not well off. So yeah, we make use of some of the discounted days out - though not to the zoo as I have an ethical objection to zoos - but eg the Cutty Sark and some of the museums that offer a discount.

Hellohelga · 09/04/2026 21:44

Tryagain26 · 09/04/2026 15:14

Until you walk in someone's else's shoes you shouldn't judge them.

The whole premise of AIBU is judging people and it seems to be the most popular MN category.

hahabahbag · 09/04/2026 21:37

To those who say there aren’t people avoiding work, you are being naive, of course there are, to those implying it’s common, I think it’s far harder unless you have the right disability paperwork that says you can’t work - much harder to get these days

hahabahbag · 09/04/2026 21:32

There are people who “work the system” but the vast majority of those on out of work benefits have “issues” at least, often hidden, and most have been let down by the system earlier in their lives, the education system, the care system and their own families

cricketnut77 · 09/04/2026 21:28

It appears many are doing just that.

SanctiMoaniArse · 09/04/2026 21:22

cricketnut77 · 09/04/2026 21:19

Some of these replies on here make me sick.
People on benefits should start making the same tough decisions as those in work

Can’t afford kids - don’t have them

Can’t afford after school club - don’t send them

Can’t afford to go to attractions in the holidays - don't go

These are the choices ordinary working people on lower wages have to make every day

Those on UC should have to be the same

Why should they get free money and a plethora of discounts that whose working do not get

It is not fair

Give up your job then.

Enjoy the cushy lifestyle of a UC claimant.

cricketnut77 · 09/04/2026 21:19

Some of these replies on here make me sick.
People on benefits should start making the same tough decisions as those in work

Can’t afford kids - don’t have them

Can’t afford after school club - don’t send them

Can’t afford to go to attractions in the holidays - don't go

These are the choices ordinary working people on lower wages have to make every day

Those on UC should have to be the same

Why should they get free money and a plethora of discounts that whose working do not get

It is not fair

Catterbat · 09/04/2026 21:03

She wouldn’t have been required to look for work ‘when her youngest started primary school’, it doesn’t work like that. What other inaccuracies are your posts littered with?

Also (and it really does pain me to have to explain this to an adult, but it’s a pretty regular thing so ok), just because you stayed in work when you had mental health issues doesn’t mean everyone else has the exact same experience. You know, like mental health issues are a spectrum, not just something people have or don’t have / deal with well or badly.

Evaka · 09/04/2026 20:48

You are wildly over invested in this person's life. You obviously dislike her- why stay so close that you know everything about her? Bizarre.

LaurieFairyCake · 09/04/2026 20:43

Perhaps you could try engaging with the REALITY that’s the more under claimed in benefits than is paid out

that ought to help Farage and the right wing too

REALITY is fucking useful here

PottingBench · 09/04/2026 20:32

HPFA · 09/04/2026 20:14

Reform are now planning to stop anyone on benefits getting discounts at zoos etc.

There really are people angry that kids might be able to have a trip to the zoo they don't "deserve".

Robert Jenrick is the Reform arsehole suggesting this.
Yes, that's right, the arsehole who had the Mickey Mouse mural painted over at an asylum centre for unaccompanied child migrants.

Robert Jenrick is the guy who when he was housing secretary rushed a billionaire's planning application through to enable him to dodge a £40 million tax bill.

It's tax avoiding billionaires and bent MPs like Jenrick that are the problem. Not women on their uppers getting a discount at the zoo.

SanctiMoaniArse · 09/04/2026 20:31

Also, good luck to Reform trying to tell privately owned attractions/venues what they can and can't charge people. Surely it's fuck all to do with the government anyway? Free market and all that...

SanctiMoaniArse · 09/04/2026 20:28

HPFA · 09/04/2026 20:14

Reform are now planning to stop anyone on benefits getting discounts at zoos etc.

There really are people angry that kids might be able to have a trip to the zoo they don't "deserve".

Oh yeah that'll really save the finances if the nation won't it? Imagine being that much of a massive fucking cunt, that you try to win votes by promising to stop poor kids getting discounted access to days out and cultural capital.

HPFA · 09/04/2026 20:14

Reform are now planning to stop anyone on benefits getting discounts at zoos etc.

There really are people angry that kids might be able to have a trip to the zoo they don't "deserve".

PottingBench · 09/04/2026 19:44

"I’m not bashing. Just trying to understand."

What exactly are you trying to understand OP? The only question you've asked is "AIBU to feel annoyed by fit people refusing to work?"

How is the answer to that going to help you understand anything?

HotGazpacho · 09/04/2026 19:12

I get suspicious when there are posts like this one, seemingly pedalling incorrect/insensitive/outdated information about benefits. It’s almost like they’re part of a coordinated campaign to demonise benefits claimants, when the reality is the vast majority of people on UC actually work full time.

Luckily I’m sure that’s not the case with OP.

MadamDicey · 09/04/2026 18:40

I hope this woman doesn't class you as a friend!

Anywherebuthere · 09/04/2026 18:17

Lazypeopleannoyme · 09/04/2026 15:37

No, she had some problems a year ago.
She claims she is fit now and is trying to get her children back. But she quit her job when she left the father of her first 2.
Then she was told she would have to start work when the second started Primary.
She met someone else, was pregnant after 3 months together and had a baby the day after the second started primary.

She doesn't sound mentally fit. If it has been agreed that she is unfit to look after her children and they've been taken away what makes you think she is fit/stable enough to look for and keep a job.

ElectoralControversy · 09/04/2026 18:13

Lazypeopleannoyme · 09/04/2026 16:39

She has told me. She also asked me to take her baby home with me last year.

Edited

...and your argument is that she's perfectly well mentally?

Madarch · 09/04/2026 18:12

Having three kids taken away from her suggests she is neither fit or able.

youalright · 09/04/2026 18:07

SanctiMoaniArse · 09/04/2026 17:56

No, you don't.

The "16 hours a week" trap hasn't been a thing since Income Support/Jobseekers Allowance were replaced by Universal Credit. UC has very different rules and conditionality and people don't get to "work under 16 hours a week to retain their benefits". That literally isn't possible under UC rules.

Edited

I was about to say have we gone back in time this was a thing when it was working tax credit before it turned into universal credit

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