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To not understand what this parent was thinking?

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Frequency · 08/04/2026 20:59

While out with my rottweiler x this afternoon, I noticed he was panting more than I was comfortable with, so I abandoned our walk and took a detour to the nearest shop to buy him a bottle of water.

I crouched down at the edge of a very wide path to give him a drink. I wasn't paying attention to what was around me because I was watching the dog, and no one had any reason to be near us anyway. The pavement is about 8 feet wide on that street, if not wider. We were right at the edge, by the shop window.

The second I stood up, there was a toddler, eye-to-eye with my dog. He must have run up behind me while I was kneeling. He was literally nose to nose with the dog, reaching his hands out to grab/stroke the dog's face.

My dog is friendly but a little wary of small children, so I tend to keep him away from them.

Luckily, DD was with me and had spotted the kid and managed to hold his hands before he grabbed the dog's face and loudly told him, "Sorry, he's scared of kids, and he's just trying to have a drink, can you leave him alone, please?" She had to say it loudly because his mum and her friend had continued walking and were now a good 10 feet away from us. At this point, the mother then shouted at her other small child (around 7 or 8) to "get the baby," so the dog now had 2 kids to contend with while the mother kept walking away, ranting about how the young girl was supposed to be "watching the baby."

DD has anxiety and was really shaken by it, and can't stop thinking about how much worse it could have been if our dog were not friendly, or if the kid had managed to grab the dog's face and spooked/hurt him.

I still just cannot fathom what the mother was thinking, allowing her toddler to run up to a strange dog who was obviously eating/drinking, get nose to nose with him to try to grab him, and then send a second child over after she's made aware he is not a friendly dog?

Surely it is common sense to know that nose-to-nose with a strange, large breed dog, who is eating/drinking, is not a safe place to be, no matter how friendly the dog is?

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Galtymore · 10/04/2026 14:18

OK. I don’t believe that was her very first thought that’s all. It’s not human nature to think in that manner.

I think you’re portraying it as such in an effort to minimise the situation here, to minimise the potential danger a spooked dog presents to a toddler. Probably because you don’t want to muzzle.

I don’t know why you think I know little about dogs. We have always had dogs, giant breeds too, so I am familiar with caring for large dogs. I don’t have one presently as the kids are allergic unfortunately.

Frequency · 10/04/2026 14:10

Galtymore · 10/04/2026 14:02

In the moment of time the incident was occurring she was afraid of your dog’s reaction to being spooked, eg by bolting into traffic dragging you with him. Perhaps she was afraid of him snapping too, as dogs can do if they are frightened. I can’t be sure of course, but it seems reasonable to suppose that, because one can never be 100% sure of a terrified animal’s response as you have acknowledged upthread.

In any case her first thought would have been your dog’s potentially negative response to the child, whatever form that might take.

Thoughts on safety in the future (of the toddler with other dogs in this case) come afterwards. It can be shortly afterwards but they’re never the first instinctual response.

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At the moment of time the incident was occurring, her first thought was what if this child did this to a dog that is not friendly.

It. Is. Right. There. In. The. OP. FFS.

Maybe this is because DD was raised around dogs and clearly has a greater degree of understanding of their behaviour and how they should be managed than you do, that her first instinct differs from what yours would be. Or maybe it's just because she knows our dog and judges him on his behaviour, not his weight/looks, unlike yourself.

It has been drummed into her since she could crawl that you do not approach any dog, not even our own, you call the dog to you, and you always ask the owner before approaching a strange dog.

You never, ever under any circumstances approach a dog who is eating, drinking, sleeping or chewing your favourite Barbie.

And you never approach a strange dog head-on or reach for his head/face.

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Galtymore · 10/04/2026 14:02

Frequency · 10/04/2026 13:24

I didn't need to ask her; she told me immediately afterwards when we were walking away. Her first thought was "Oh my god. That was scary. Is that woman an actual idiot? Who the fuck let her out of the house unsupervised with a child? What if that kid did that to a dog that wasn't friendly like ours is?" Followed by "imagine if he'd hurt Wriggles, or spooked him. He could have run into the road and been hit by a bus. Oh God, what if he'd pulled you into the road with him?"

It is literally right there in the OP that her first thought was the child repeating the behavior with a less friendly dog. If you have trouble with reading comprehension, maybe you could ask a family member to explain my post to you rather than making things up.

In the moment of time the incident was occurring she was afraid of your dog’s reaction to being spooked, eg by bolting into traffic dragging you with him. Perhaps she was afraid of him snapping too, as dogs can do if they are frightened. I can’t be sure of course, but it seems reasonable to suppose that, because one can never be 100% sure of a terrified animal’s response as you have acknowledged upthread.

In any case her first thought would have been your dog’s potentially negative response to the child, whatever form that might take.

Thoughts on safety in the future (of the toddler with other dogs in this case) come afterwards. It can be shortly afterwards but they’re never the first instinctual response.

Whattodo1610 · 10/04/2026 13:41

Hallamule · 10/04/2026 10:20

Well if the dog wasn't going to harm the child why was the OP's daughter so shaken and anxious? Was she perhaps afraid that the toddler would bite the dog?

Yes you’ve confirmed you haven’t read OP’s posts 👏 👏

Frequency · 10/04/2026 13:24

Galtymore · 10/04/2026 13:12

I know way too much about anxiety and how it works (for unfortunate reasons I won’t go into here).

Ask your daughter what her first thoughts were when she saw the toddler reach for your dog. Her thoughts at that literal moment in time.
I can guarantee worrying about the toddler’s future safety around other dogs came later.

I didn't need to ask her; she told me immediately afterwards when we were walking away. Her first thought was "Oh my god. That was scary. Is that woman an actual idiot? Who the fuck let her out of the house unsupervised with a child? What if that kid did that to a dog that wasn't friendly like ours is?" Followed by "imagine if he'd hurt Wriggles, or spooked him. He could have run into the road and been hit by a bus. Oh God, what if he'd pulled you into the road with him?"

It is literally right there in the OP that her first thought was the child repeating the behavior with a less friendly dog. If you have trouble with reading comprehension, maybe you could ask a family member to explain my post to you rather than making things up.

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Galtymore · 10/04/2026 13:12

Frequency · 10/04/2026 13:01

Really? I wasn't aware you knew my DD. Have you known her long? And when did you speak to her to confirm this?

You must be really close to her to know what she was thinking at the more than me, who was actually there at the time and have known DD and the dog for 23 and 6 years respectively.

I know way too much about anxiety and how it works (for unfortunate reasons I won’t go into here).

Ask your daughter what her first thoughts were when she saw the toddler reach for your dog. Her thoughts at that literal moment in time.
I can guarantee worrying about the toddler’s future safety around other dogs came later.

Frequency · 10/04/2026 13:01

Galtymore · 10/04/2026 12:56

Her first thought was what if the child goes on to do the same thing to a dog that is not friendly like ours.

That would never be a first thought in a situation like that OP. Not in the moment. It’s something you’d ruminate on and worry about later. Forgive me, but I think you’re trying to rewrite history a bit.

In your first post you said:
DD has anxiety and was really shaken by it, and can't stop thinking about how much worse it could have been if our dog were not friendly, or if the kid had managed to grab the dog's face and spooked/hurt him.

You daughter was clearly afraid of the consequences if the toddler accidentally frightened or hurt your dog. You said that. Even though your dog is generally friendly you have also said he is wary of children and that it is possible he would display aggression in the wrong circumstances (as most dogs could). No doubt your adult daughter was aware of this too.

Really? I wasn't aware you knew my DD. Have you known her long? And when did you speak to her to confirm this?

You must be really close to her to know what she was thinking at the more than me, who was actually there at the time and have known DD and the dog for 23 and 6 years respectively.

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Jackiepumpkinhead · 10/04/2026 12:58

Galtymore · 09/04/2026 20:13

I like dogs a lot.

OP needed to be more aware of her environment for a start. A toddler shouldn’t have been able to get nose to nose with her dog before she noticed. Muzzling would be a good idea in the circumstances imo.

You are quite right, that child shouldn’t have got anywhere the dog, as their parent or someone responsible should be supervising them!

Galtymore · 10/04/2026 12:56

Frequency · 10/04/2026 10:54

She was anxious because she has anxiety. Clinically diagnosed anxiety. It's all there in the OP, if you read it. I never said the toddler caused DD to be anxious; I said DD has anxiety.

Her first thought was what if the child goes on to do the same thing to a dog that is not friendly like ours. That is also in the OP.

Nowhere in the OP did I say DD was concerned our dog might bite.

Her first thought was what if the child goes on to do the same thing to a dog that is not friendly like ours.

That would never be a first thought in a situation like that OP. Not in the moment. It’s something you’d ruminate on and worry about later. Forgive me, but I think you’re trying to rewrite history a bit.

In your first post you said:
DD has anxiety and was really shaken by it, and can't stop thinking about how much worse it could have been if our dog were not friendly, or if the kid had managed to grab the dog's face and spooked/hurt him.

You daughter was clearly afraid of the consequences if the toddler accidentally frightened or hurt your dog. You said that. Even though your dog is generally friendly you have also said he is wary of children and that it is possible he would display aggression in the wrong circumstances (as most dogs could). No doubt your adult daughter was aware of this too.

Jackiepumpkinhead · 10/04/2026 12:54

I’ve lost count of children who have come up and laid their head against my dog’s face, smacked them in the face, slapped them on the back, thrown pebbles etc. My boy dog (a rescue) never reacted but my girl dog (not a rescue) is very wary of children, and I always keep her away from small children. You did everything right, OP, and sadly it’s always the dog’s fault if something happens.

Galtymore · 10/04/2026 12:45

TheTulipsAreOut · 10/04/2026 11:19

The PARENT should have been more aware. The toddler is HER responsibility. The dog was on a lead, a car or a kid on a scooter etc isn't.

In addition to that she has already explained it was next to a very busy A road, not somewhere that you're looking out for small children (let alone tiny ones) unsupervised.

Her dog does NOT need muzzling.

Both needed to be more aware. I’m not condoning the parent’s actions in case you misunderstood that.

Frequency · 10/04/2026 11:31

OneDogTwoCatsHalfaDH · 10/04/2026 09:47

Sometimes I actually say Hello Gorgeous out loud, then have to look up and give an apologetic smile at the owner. Who is usually smiling back to be fair!

Two of DD's chihuahuas would love you forever if you did this to them. The one I have unofficially adopted because I call him my gorgeous boy/baby, so he would think treats or love were coming his way. He's a bit shy, so he'd probably inch away from you in case you tried to cuddle him, but you'd get a bum wiggle from him.

The aggressive one would probably go so far as to skip the part where he spends the first 3 minutes of knowing you, plotting to kill you and everyone you love, and go straight to the part where he's climbing into your lap and demanding love. Every time I see him in a new jumper or dress, I tell him he looks gorgeous, so he equates gorgeous with affection and attention. He'd definitely pose for you if he heard you.

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LostFuse · 10/04/2026 11:23

Wishingplenty · 08/04/2026 23:39

I cannot "fathom" the selfishness that are dog owners. It is bad enough that no where is free of dogs, they're literally bloody everywhere, but Mums are literally confronted with dogs everywhere they go, it is literally exhausting trying to dodge them all and toddlers don't know any better. The irony of your post when dogs literally pounce on anyone and everyone when at the park or the beach, and we all just have to smile and bare it, because Fido is just being "friendly" but the same courtesy is not extended to a literal human child is just mind boggling to me. Telling a toddler to go away is also not fine, that is bloody awful. Basically we all have to be tolerant of dogs, but children are not treated with the same respect, they're literally less than! Why does anyone need to own a rottweiler anyway? Children should be able to live in society without the fear of being attacke by someone's pet. That is what you are really saying OP that if your dog snapped it would be the childs fault and not the dogs. Your literally laying blame at that childs feet to cover the fact if your dogged snapped and attacked the child you would be exonerated of all blame. Well you are wrong, because you know what rottweilers are capable of, and if you must own such dangerously stupid dog for whatever ego trip you need, you could at least have the decency to muzzle the beast when your out in public so there would be no need for your horribly self righteous and self absorbed post.

Your excessive use of the word literally is literal overkill.

TheTulipsAreOut · 10/04/2026 11:19

Galtymore · 09/04/2026 20:13

I like dogs a lot.

OP needed to be more aware of her environment for a start. A toddler shouldn’t have been able to get nose to nose with her dog before she noticed. Muzzling would be a good idea in the circumstances imo.

The PARENT should have been more aware. The toddler is HER responsibility. The dog was on a lead, a car or a kid on a scooter etc isn't.

In addition to that she has already explained it was next to a very busy A road, not somewhere that you're looking out for small children (let alone tiny ones) unsupervised.

Her dog does NOT need muzzling.

TheTulipsAreOut · 10/04/2026 11:11

OneDogTwoCatsHalfaDH · 10/04/2026 09:47

Sometimes I actually say Hello Gorgeous out loud, then have to look up and give an apologetic smile at the owner. Who is usually smiling back to be fair!

🤣🤣

IntheMoodforWong · 10/04/2026 10:59

I was shocked when I took my latest puppy out for the very first time recently. A woman holding what appeared to be a newborn crouched down to pet my dog, which meant her baby was pretty much dangling in my dog's face

It was fine, and my dog has a great temperament, but she didn't know that - I didn't even know what she'd be like with other people at that point because, as I say, she was a young puppy going out into the world for the first time.

She was very indignant when I gently told her it probably wasn't a good idea to do things like that. Some people have no sense at all when it comes ot papropriate behaviour around dogs.

Frequency · 10/04/2026 10:54

She was anxious because she has anxiety. Clinically diagnosed anxiety. It's all there in the OP, if you read it. I never said the toddler caused DD to be anxious; I said DD has anxiety.

Her first thought was what if the child goes on to do the same thing to a dog that is not friendly like ours. That is also in the OP.

Nowhere in the OP did I say DD was concerned our dog might bite.

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Hallamule · 10/04/2026 10:20

Whattodo1610 · 10/04/2026 09:51

Have you read OP’s posts? 😵‍💫 At no point has OP said she thinks her dog will bite a child .. literally nowhere. Another poster making stuff up.

Well if the dog wasn't going to harm the child why was the OP's daughter so shaken and anxious? Was she perhaps afraid that the toddler would bite the dog?

Whattodo1610 · 10/04/2026 09:51

Hallamule · 10/04/2026 09:46

Toddlers and small children can be unpredictable. If you believe your dog is likely to bite one if it gets too close then perhaps you should muzzle it in public esp somewhere like a pavement of a shopping street or residential area.

Have you read OP’s posts? 😵‍💫 At no point has OP said she thinks her dog will bite a child .. literally nowhere. Another poster making stuff up.

OneDogTwoCatsHalfaDH · 10/04/2026 09:47

TheTulipsAreOut · 08/04/2026 23:00

Owner? What owner 🤣🤣

Sometimes I actually say Hello Gorgeous out loud, then have to look up and give an apologetic smile at the owner. Who is usually smiling back to be fair!

Hallamule · 10/04/2026 09:46

Toddlers and small children can be unpredictable. If you believe your dog is likely to bite one if it gets too close then perhaps you should muzzle it in public esp somewhere like a pavement of a shopping street or residential area.

Whattodo1610 · 10/04/2026 09:42

Llamamaman · 10/04/2026 09:34

I see another child has sadly been killed by a dog reported in the news today. I think it’s time a lot more breeds were added to the XL Bully ban.

Im sick of massive dogs bounding up to me and my children and the owners always laughing it off as ‘don’t worry they’re friendly.’ I don’t give a fuck. I don’t want your dog leaping up at me, or knocking my children over.

I was bitten by a dog in the park whilst sat on the floor with my newborn baby. The owner said I shouldn’t have got up as it bounded over as ‘I scared it.’

Dog owners can’t have everything their own way. It’s never their fault

Not really relevant to this thread, but okay …..🙄

Feets · 10/04/2026 09:41

I dislike dogs but the parent was completely at fault here. Hope your daughter is ok OP.

Llamamaman · 10/04/2026 09:34

I see another child has sadly been killed by a dog reported in the news today. I think it’s time a lot more breeds were added to the XL Bully ban.

Im sick of massive dogs bounding up to me and my children and the owners always laughing it off as ‘don’t worry they’re friendly.’ I don’t give a fuck. I don’t want your dog leaping up at me, or knocking my children over.

I was bitten by a dog in the park whilst sat on the floor with my newborn baby. The owner said I shouldn’t have got up as it bounded over as ‘I scared it.’

Dog owners can’t have everything their own way. It’s never their fault

DugnuttEyeBoogies · 09/04/2026 21:18

CaffeineAndChords · 08/04/2026 22:17

Oh don’t be so ridiculous. What a stupid comment. It’s usually the ‘intimidating’ looking dogs that are the most goofy and lovely. The little ankle biters are more likely to bite or attack you. Coming from someone who’s worked in kennels and a veterinary practice!!!

Yep I’d much rather have to deal with a rottie or dobie than a chihuahua or patterdale! Give me a large breed dog any day (except XL’s they are not dogs they are freaks)

The little yappy fuckers are always the worst behaved cos the owners let them off cos they are “cute”. No, they are little shitbags.