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Frequency · 08/04/2026 20:59

While out with my rottweiler x this afternoon, I noticed he was panting more than I was comfortable with, so I abandoned our walk and took a detour to the nearest shop to buy him a bottle of water.

I crouched down at the edge of a very wide path to give him a drink. I wasn't paying attention to what was around me because I was watching the dog, and no one had any reason to be near us anyway. The pavement is about 8 feet wide on that street, if not wider. We were right at the edge, by the shop window.

The second I stood up, there was a toddler, eye-to-eye with my dog. He must have run up behind me while I was kneeling. He was literally nose to nose with the dog, reaching his hands out to grab/stroke the dog's face.

My dog is friendly but a little wary of small children, so I tend to keep him away from them.

Luckily, DD was with me and had spotted the kid and managed to hold his hands before he grabbed the dog's face and loudly told him, "Sorry, he's scared of kids, and he's just trying to have a drink, can you leave him alone, please?" She had to say it loudly because his mum and her friend had continued walking and were now a good 10 feet away from us. At this point, the mother then shouted at her other small child (around 7 or 8) to "get the baby," so the dog now had 2 kids to contend with while the mother kept walking away, ranting about how the young girl was supposed to be "watching the baby."

DD has anxiety and was really shaken by it, and can't stop thinking about how much worse it could have been if our dog were not friendly, or if the kid had managed to grab the dog's face and spooked/hurt him.

I still just cannot fathom what the mother was thinking, allowing her toddler to run up to a strange dog who was obviously eating/drinking, get nose to nose with him to try to grab him, and then send a second child over after she's made aware he is not a friendly dog?

Surely it is common sense to know that nose-to-nose with a strange, large breed dog, who is eating/drinking, is not a safe place to be, no matter how friendly the dog is?

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Wishingplenty · 12/04/2026 17:39

InsolentAnnie · 11/04/2026 23:40

OP, I commend your patience in explaining things ad infinitum to posters who seem intent on blaming you for somebody’s inability to parent. The reason, as far as I can gather, that you don’t 100% trust your dog if a toddler came up and poked him in the face is that he is a dog, and no dog on earth can be trusted 100%. If somebody poked me in the face, I’d probably bite them… And no, dogs don’t bite out of nowhere - as you say, there’ll have been warning signs that most people don’t notice or ignore (‘Aw look, he’s wagging his tail so he must be happy’ / ‘he’s yawning so he must be tired’ etc)

In summary: yes, that was completely unreasonable behaviour from the mother, who should have been watching her child.

Total twaddle!

Rotundra · 12/04/2026 17:32

WheretheFishesareFrightening · 12/04/2026 15:34

You must have read a different thread to me, as the level of apprehension I’ve seen the OP have is similar to that I have about my muzzled dog biting someone who touches their mouth - it’s remote, but possible and I take steps to make sure it doesn’t happen and assume the broader public will also take sensible precautions.

The OP has not talked about having any reasonable apprehension that would meet the bar set out in law, she only talks about her anxious daughter being worried, and the definition of reasonable apprehension wouldn’t be set at the level of someone who has mental health issues related to being overly apprehensive.

the level of apprehension I’ve seen the OP have is similar to that I have about my muzzled dog biting someone who touches their mouth

Except your dog is muzzled and as such you have taken more precautions than OP. So... not similar at all.

The OP has not talked about having any reasonable apprehension that would meet the bar set out in law

The bar in law is set extremely low in these cases - and almost always sides against the owner, with whom it strictly places responsibility. She has admitted she wasn't paying attention, and she has admitted her dog is wary of children and as such she takes precautions around them. That is enough to acknowledge she is aware of a temperament issue, and that is enough for reasonable apprehension.

While the toddler's lack of supervision is a factor, UK law consistently holds that the ultimate responsibility for a dog's actions lies with the keeper who failed to prevent the interaction.

OP is trying to deflect her responsibility for what happened which unfortunately, the law says she cannot wave away.

Rotundra · 12/04/2026 16:52

RedWineCupcakes · 12/04/2026 15:41

Correction.
The parent wasn't paying attention and allowed their child to get nose to nose with a dog. It doesn't matter if the dog is wary or the best behaved, most placid dog in the world. A responsible parent does not let their child get in the face of ANY dog, of known temperament or not.
OP was watching her dog. It clearly didn't react or behave poorly or OP would have seen it as she was focused on the dog.
The parent should have been watching her child instead of outsourcing that to a slightly older one and OP.

OP was not paying attention to her surroundings. That's fact, otherwise the child would have gotten nowhere near.

I know she wants to blame the parent, I know you do too - and no one has said there's not blame there. But there is ALSO blame for OP, and trying to make out that she has zero responsibility here is willful fabrication.

nevernotmaybe · 12/04/2026 16:45

Galtymore · 12/04/2026 15:52

Nobody was paying adequate attention it seems.

The parent should not have allowed the child to approach the dog. Obviously.

OP should not have allowed her dog to become potentially distressed by allowing an unsupervised child to approach so close. She and her daughter could have blocked the child’s approach a bit earlier and/or led the dog away before the child was in his face.

The difference being the child isn't capable of instantly ripping the dogs neck apart, killing the dog in a minute or two.

Same reason why everyone should be aware of roads, but those with the car are much more responsible given the soggy bag of water and bacteria isn't likely to kill the person in the tons of metal travelling at speed.

Galtymore · 12/04/2026 15:52

RedWineCupcakes · 12/04/2026 15:41

Correction.
The parent wasn't paying attention and allowed their child to get nose to nose with a dog. It doesn't matter if the dog is wary or the best behaved, most placid dog in the world. A responsible parent does not let their child get in the face of ANY dog, of known temperament or not.
OP was watching her dog. It clearly didn't react or behave poorly or OP would have seen it as she was focused on the dog.
The parent should have been watching her child instead of outsourcing that to a slightly older one and OP.

Nobody was paying adequate attention it seems.

The parent should not have allowed the child to approach the dog. Obviously.

OP should not have allowed her dog to become potentially distressed by allowing an unsupervised child to approach so close. She and her daughter could have blocked the child’s approach a bit earlier and/or led the dog away before the child was in his face.

RedWineCupcakes · 12/04/2026 15:41

Rotundra · 12/04/2026 11:34

Where has she ignored her responsibilities!?!

She wasn't paying attention and allowed an unsupervised child to get close enough to be nose to nose with her wary dog.

This has been answered many times by many posters.

Correction.
The parent wasn't paying attention and allowed their child to get nose to nose with a dog. It doesn't matter if the dog is wary or the best behaved, most placid dog in the world. A responsible parent does not let their child get in the face of ANY dog, of known temperament or not.
OP was watching her dog. It clearly didn't react or behave poorly or OP would have seen it as she was focused on the dog.
The parent should have been watching her child instead of outsourcing that to a slightly older one and OP.

WheretheFishesareFrightening · 12/04/2026 15:34

nevernotmaybe · 12/04/2026 15:05

The law isn't that stupid, that you could shove your fingers into the mouth of a dog and might get bit while it is wearing a muzzle, is not a "reasonable" apprehension it will injure someone.

Reasonable is a known and applicable concept in law.

That a child, that can be gone in an instant and doing child things as a very normal event in life, being around and close to the dog doing that normal thing is a concern and can cause aggression is a reasonable apprehension. Anyone she let's know the truth about the dog, would be concerned about it harming someone, regardless of of it does when out and about.

You must have read a different thread to me, as the level of apprehension I’ve seen the OP have is similar to that I have about my muzzled dog biting someone who touches their mouth - it’s remote, but possible and I take steps to make sure it doesn’t happen and assume the broader public will also take sensible precautions.

The OP has not talked about having any reasonable apprehension that would meet the bar set out in law, she only talks about her anxious daughter being worried, and the definition of reasonable apprehension wouldn’t be set at the level of someone who has mental health issues related to being overly apprehensive.

nevernotmaybe · 12/04/2026 15:05

WheretheFishesareFrightening · 11/04/2026 21:16

The OP has been clear along that her point was the child was lucky it was her under control dog they approached, not a less well trained one.

And a muzzle wouldn’t remove the apprehension, as if a toddler sticks its fingers into the muzzle, the dog can still bite so OP would be still have been apprehensive.

The law isn't that stupid, that you could shove your fingers into the mouth of a dog and might get bit while it is wearing a muzzle, is not a "reasonable" apprehension it will injure someone.

Reasonable is a known and applicable concept in law.

That a child, that can be gone in an instant and doing child things as a very normal event in life, being around and close to the dog doing that normal thing is a concern and can cause aggression is a reasonable apprehension. Anyone she let's know the truth about the dog, would be concerned about it harming someone, regardless of of it does when out and about.

Rotundra · 12/04/2026 13:43

GrumpyButOk · 12/04/2026 12:36

OP I'm not sure I'd continue to feed some of these posters if I were you. They either can't or don't want to see sense.

It is certainly easier to ignore uncomfortable facts that place you in the wrong, so I see why you're advising this, it's human nature.

It's especially difficult when you thought you were right, but have been shown quite publicly that's not the case. So OP does have my sympathies there.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 12/04/2026 12:41

I’d like to think that if someone had a dog that they knew could bite a young child they would have that dog muzzled or only take them to areas where the likelihood of encountering young kids would be minimal to none.

GrumpyButOk · 12/04/2026 12:36

OP I'm not sure I'd continue to feed some of these posters if I were you. They either can't or don't want to see sense.

Rotundra · 12/04/2026 11:34

CremeEggsForBreakfast · 12/04/2026 11:00

Where has she ignored her responsibilities!?! OP has taken very sensible precautions. There were two people on the walk. They were right there with him. She seems very knowledgeable about her dogs behaviour and body language and she and her daughter handled the situation in a way that didn't escalate anything. They were doing everything you said they should except muzzling.

And if, as you pointed out, "any" dog can attack (and I do agree with you) then by your logic, all dogs should be muzzled in public, shouldn't they? People see a big dog and they cross the road. That's not OP's problem or responsibility. It's not indicative if his behaviour. Where have you got the idea that he's dangerous and/or that OP is not capable of managing him?

Where has she ignored her responsibilities!?!

She wasn't paying attention and allowed an unsupervised child to get close enough to be nose to nose with her wary dog.

This has been answered many times by many posters.

CremeEggsForBreakfast · 12/04/2026 11:00

Galtymore · 11/04/2026 09:30

OP was absolutely right that the mother was negligent.

OP also seemed to be unaware of her own responsibilities in the situation though, which was concerning, and that’s why people spoke up.

Any startled dog can pose a threat to the general public. In this case the dog is large, a breed that is illegal to walk unmuzzled in other countries, and, though he looks lovable in the pictures OP shared, in real life he’s clearly formidable. OP said that people usually cross the road to avoid passing him. He’s of a size that could do serious damage if he’s started or frightened, most especially to a small child standing next to his face. He’s wary of and uncomfortable around children.

The child shouldn’t have been standing next to his face. The mother, of course, should not have allowed that to happen. It was dangerous for both child and animal.
OP shouldn’t have let it happen either. She doesn’t accept that.

We all know how easy it is to get distracted or busy with something else. We have no power over other people or how well they parent their children. So, if you’re walking a large, powerful dog in a built-up area with members of the general public including children about, I do think it’s a good idea, firstly, to determine to keep a very close eye on what’s happening around you, and secondly, to keep your dog muzzled. These two actions would help protect the public and your dog too.

Where has she ignored her responsibilities!?! OP has taken very sensible precautions. There were two people on the walk. They were right there with him. She seems very knowledgeable about her dogs behaviour and body language and she and her daughter handled the situation in a way that didn't escalate anything. They were doing everything you said they should except muzzling.

And if, as you pointed out, "any" dog can attack (and I do agree with you) then by your logic, all dogs should be muzzled in public, shouldn't they? People see a big dog and they cross the road. That's not OP's problem or responsibility. It's not indicative if his behaviour. Where have you got the idea that he's dangerous and/or that OP is not capable of managing him?

Nothavingagoodvalentinesday · 12/04/2026 04:36

Why is the dog getting any blame at all for this incident? It often amazes me how stupid parents can be. Children should be kept away from dogs unless it is clear that they will welcome attention.

InsolentAnnie · 11/04/2026 23:40

OP, I commend your patience in explaining things ad infinitum to posters who seem intent on blaming you for somebody’s inability to parent. The reason, as far as I can gather, that you don’t 100% trust your dog if a toddler came up and poked him in the face is that he is a dog, and no dog on earth can be trusted 100%. If somebody poked me in the face, I’d probably bite them… And no, dogs don’t bite out of nowhere - as you say, there’ll have been warning signs that most people don’t notice or ignore (‘Aw look, he’s wagging his tail so he must be happy’ / ‘he’s yawning so he must be tired’ etc)

In summary: yes, that was completely unreasonable behaviour from the mother, who should have been watching her child.

Wishingplenty · 11/04/2026 22:01

ForMerryMauveDreamer · 11/04/2026 16:58

Congratulations on the most batshit crazy, ridiculous post on here.

It’s the parents fault for not watching their child and allowing it to approach a stranger’s dog. What good parent allows this to happen?!? But of course the little darlings are allowed to do whatever they want and nothing is ever the parent’s fault.

@Frequency unfortunately I experience stupid parents like these too. I think all dog owners do. You’re not alone.

Horrible people!

WheretheFishesareFrightening · 11/04/2026 21:16

nevernotmaybe · 11/04/2026 18:45

You do know what the legal definition for a dangerously out of control dog it right?

It is, word for word from the legislation; "a dog shall be regarded as dangerously out of control on any occasion on which there are grounds for reasonable apprehension that it will injure any person [F2or assistance dog], whether or not it actually does so".

You made it clear you had a reasonable apprehension it could, for whatever reason which is irrelevant, potentially hurt the child doing normal child things out of "fear". A muzzle would remove this reasonable apprehension.

The OP has been clear along that her point was the child was lucky it was her under control dog they approached, not a less well trained one.

And a muzzle wouldn’t remove the apprehension, as if a toddler sticks its fingers into the muzzle, the dog can still bite so OP would be still have been apprehensive.

cathome64 · 11/04/2026 20:22

Why is it OP's responsibility to ensure a useless parent needs to actually parent their child ? Her dog is her responsibility, not other peoples children.

cathome64 · 11/04/2026 20:18

Oh he's beautiful !

RupertTheBlackCat · 11/04/2026 19:36

Frequency · 11/04/2026 18:35

Report me for what?

For being a responsible and sensible dog owner, presumably :-)

TryingToFigureLifeOut · 11/04/2026 18:58

Another young lady just 19 years old was killed last night by the family lurcher pet. The grandmother commented on the news posts saying the dog used to sleep in bed with the young girl and had never been aggressive before. Completely unprovoked and out of nowhere. How horrific. When will people wake up to that it’s not only dogs who have been abused or antagonised that react and snap. My sister also owned 2 boxer dogs whom she had from puppies, never been abused or mistreated in the slightest, used to run free round the farm at the horse stables every day so had regular exercise and weren’t cooped up all day. One day again out of nowhere one of them bit my niece in the face tearing her lip apart, she was just 18 months old. My sister was right there when it happened, the dog hadn’t been left alone with my niece either. The dogs had never been aggressive. There’s not always a “reason” dogs attack, reason being negative experiences or mistreatment.

nevernotmaybe · 11/04/2026 18:45

Frequency · 11/04/2026 18:35

Report me for what?

You do know what the legal definition for a dangerously out of control dog it right?

It is, word for word from the legislation; "a dog shall be regarded as dangerously out of control on any occasion on which there are grounds for reasonable apprehension that it will injure any person [F2or assistance dog], whether or not it actually does so".

You made it clear you had a reasonable apprehension it could, for whatever reason which is irrelevant, potentially hurt the child doing normal child things out of "fear". A muzzle would remove this reasonable apprehension.

Frequency · 11/04/2026 18:35

Catsarefatflumps · 11/04/2026 18:34

I agree with other posters in that it does sound like you might benefit from gaining some more info on how to protect your dog and others around you. Muzzling doesn’t sound a bad suggestion.

No-one is suggesting the child should have done what it did, but also, your Rottweiler x that people cross the road to avoid, shouldn’t ever be able to be in a position where it could kill a child that spooked it. Another dog death today. That’s two in two days. Dogs can and do kill.

Also, maybe ask your delete your photo as you’re identifiable and someone may report you

Report me for what?

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Catsarefatflumps · 11/04/2026 18:34

I agree with other posters in that it does sound like you might benefit from gaining some more info on how to protect your dog and others around you. Muzzling doesn’t sound a bad suggestion.

No-one is suggesting the child should have done what it did, but also, your Rottweiler x that people cross the road to avoid, shouldn’t ever be able to be in a position where it could kill a child that spooked it. Another dog death today. That’s two in two days. Dogs can and do kill.

Also, maybe ask your delete your photo as you’re identifiable and someone may report you

Frequency · 11/04/2026 18:31

WheretheFishesareFrightening · 11/04/2026 17:40

My non-rescue, owned since a puppy dog is scared of small children. We don't know any children so she's never really been socialised with them (and it's frowned upon to ask small children you don't know if they want to come and play with your puppy).

They're loud, unpredictable and often not respectful of personal space. All scary to my dog who's smaller than any child she's ever met.

Most dogs are less confident around children than they are around adults. It is one of the most common issues trainers are asked about, that and resource guarding.

As my ex-colleague used to say to clients, you've brought this thing into your dog's environment that smells human, but it doesn't look like a human, move like a human, or sound like a human. It's loud, it's screechy, it's flappy, and it's unpredictable.

Most dogs, like mine, will simply be a bit uneasy around them, but on rare occasions, this can turn into fear aggression (usually when the dogs have been forced to interact with children over long periods of time).

Screensaver training is useful when you don't have access to children in your home life. Find a park or place heavily populated by children that you can see from a distance, sit or stand a safe distance away, and reward your dog every time they display calm behaviour. Slowly move closer (over days/weeks, not a couple of minutes). Obviously, if you think your dog might snap if a child ran over, this is one of the times you would use a muzzle.

This is what we did with DD's Chi puppy, and she's fine with kids. She doesn't like them because they sometimes try to pick her up without asking Hmm, but she doesn't display any fearful or avoidant behavior around them; she just pretends she doesn't know her name when they call her.

My method of not letting kids pet them but getting them to offer a treat instead also works if your dog is only mildly concerned about kids and is the type of breed kids regularly approach.

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