To think the going out(nightlife drinking) is a trap

Its not just about the demarcation point of the law, its the extent to which the drug changes one's state. I would never take any substance which would remove my sobriety or clarity of mind, unless prescribed it for a very specific purpose. Having coffee or ibuprofen may have some small impact on my neurons or inflammation levels, but it won't affect how I interact with people, how I care for my children, how I fulfil my responsibilities and how I feel in the following days.

I am teetotal now but do know from experience the difference between taking a paracetamol and cocaine. I do include alcohol in the 'drugs' sphere but at least its regulated and controlled, and there isnt the chance that it's laced with dangerous filler material.

I do think its reasonable to separate low risk, legal, heavily controll drug products and illegal, unregulated drug products which carry huge physical, mental and social complications, can destroy families and communities. I don't think its hypocritical to have such a limit.

Apologies I agree it was very poorly worded.

Is that what you were trying to say?! If so, I also agree. But your initial comments were VERY poorly worded.

Read the rest of my posts and replies please. Too tired to go over this again.

And to your second paragraph I agree which is why I posted it. You wouldn’t believe the grief I’ve got from primarily upper class women in the past, pure rudeness and entitlement, pushing past me in a queue. I speak with a fairly working class accent (south London) but am considered to be lower middle class. Though some woman or women who were working/middle class were incredibly kind and generous to me whilst I worked as a legal sec (not colleagues, clients or wives of).

That addresses exactly nothing in my comment.

This is exactly what I mean and yes badly worded.

Maybe both get sneered at but I see more snobbishness towards working classes.

So are you saying the media sneers at blinged up fake tanned Scouse women at Aintree on the Prosecco as pissed up chavs but posh women at Henley Regatta off their face on Bollinger is absolutely fine?

So you are talking about what you perceive to be media stereotypes. I’m not sure that a 60 year old working class office worker falling over drunk is a known stereotype to me - but I’ll take your word that your post was just badly worded and offence wasn’t intended.

I do agree with you on the fact that working class people tend to be looked down on for actions which are acceptable for the middle classes.

You must have had appalling self-esteem to view your pre-motherhood self as a "floating nobody" and still to hold that view of the person you were then.

I miss going out to party. I don’t have a circle of partying friends here and I miss it so much!

And yes I meant working class people in offices. A lot of middle and upper class women (yes I’ve seen it) can get absolutely hammered, behave badly and they’re given a free pass. Whereas if you’re working class you get looked down on for doing the exact same thing. Be offended by what I say but you can’t deny it’s true.

Yes I am. Not my views but media views.

I know what I’m talking about and the media knows too.

Like another commenter, I have no idea what you’re trying to say here. You say working class women ‘get away with the stereotype’, but also that you don’t see judgement towards the middle or upper classes for drinking. So…everyone ‘gets away’ with it, then?

And this relates to the woman you were talking about…how?

Finally, while some working class people do work in offices (as well as every other class), since when was ‘office workers’ shorthand for ‘working class’? Corporate = working class? Eh? Am I missing something?!

You will likely feel differently - as you age you realise life is a series of stages and you change too. That’s fine it’s all good - but when you are 50 with teens you will not want them to be your world and they certainly won’t want you hanging around! So it’s good to develop your own interests.

I’m 60 and was out until 2am yesterday at a house music night. Dancing until my feet hurt

My DS is an adult and I did take a break festivals, nights out etc when he was little then started going out again when he was about 5. My friends and me went to a dance music weekend twice a year as our adult time.

I still go out dancing at least once a month and usually more regularly. I don’t do drugs and I’m not much of a drinker these days but I love music and dancing so there’s no age limit imo,

I wouldn’t go to the local high street Ritzy nightclub but there’s a lot of music events full of older people - the 50/60 year olds now are the ones who were raving in fields

I think you've got addiction issues.. I mean so did I in my 20s however I dont now. I do like a night out, but for me that entails a meal with friends and a couple of g&ts. Very occasionally going to a club and having a dance to the early hours.. but im talking once every few months if that.
I've no desire to do drugs or drink heavily any more. I dont want a hangover and I want 8 hours sleep!!
For me going out is not a trap. My life changed and so did my approach to going out and so did my friendship circle!
You dont have to get totally trashed on a night out. I just like seeing my friends and having fun then going home to bed.

So what are you saying here - on the one line you say that stereotypes of working classes getting drunk are acceptable, but on the other there is no judgement to upper and middle class women getting drunk. Do you mean in your world it’s acceptable to judge working class women but no-one judges those of middle class? What about the middle class women who work in offices?

Honestly I’m still not sure what point you’re trying to make here, but it’s coming over as very offensive.

Hi OP, I'm on Mumsnet for years and never ever comment but wanted to come on today to say I totally understand what you mean.

For years in my twenties & early thirties I partied. I too dabbled with party drugs and was always the last one standing. I couldn't go out without pushing it to the extreme. I often said / tried to give up drink but as soon as I would go out for a few with friends I would want to keep the party going.

I got married and had a daughter (who's now 11) and I stopped. For me, when I was partying I could never stop long enough to break the cycle. Being pregnant helped. When I hadn't drank in a year and could see how destructive I was it was an eye opener, but more than that it showed me that I could actually do it.

I havent done drugs in years and I occasionally drink, but at the back of my mind when I have a drink is the fear of getting so drunk I lose the run of myself. It keeps me in check.

In my case I was diagnosed AuDHD 6 months ago at 45, which explains a lot. And over the past c.8 years I have transferred my energy into studying and have obtained a degree and am halfway through my MSc (a different kind of madness!!).

Same, me DH and our mates are all late 30s, no kids and still love going to gigs, festivals and nights out. Often we might not get in till 2am, shocker! Clearly some people would say we haven't 'grown up' but we love our life. I would be utterly miserable if I had kids, so different strokes for different folks I guess, as long as you're happy just do what you like!

Stereotypes of office workers or working classes getting drunk (or used to) are quite common. And yes working class women it seems get away with the stereotype of drinking to excess (at least some of the ones I know/knew did). So levels are classes. I honestly don’t see much judgement towards upper and middle classes getting drunk when out.

All of this, basically.