To think the junior / resident doctors are greedy, selfish, entitled & lazy?

The least popular training posts have fewer than 1 applicant for every post. The least popular is usually GU medicine.

A/E, with 14 applicants per post, is three times more popular than internal medicine.

Training I agree has to be sorted and jobs going to foreign doctors when so many uk doctors want them. They had a deal though but lost it in their greed for more money .

Such as?

What about the teacher 4 year degrees?

It's not arguing a point or nuanced. It's just a fact that a five-year degree builds up significantly more debt than a three-year one, all other factors being equal. They have to pay their loans back irrespective of where they live. Only consultants work privately and for the most part they do NHS work in parallel. Other graduates can earn significantly more than doctors too.

I am fed up of them striking personally

even the least popular training posts (usually a&e) has 41 applicants for every post.

I have a pretty good idea how the system works. To get a training post you have to apply for one. At the end of FY2 (which they were gifted) half of juniors fail to do that.

It wasn’t a deal they had agreed.

No matter what you think about the strike, resident doctors are not lazy. They work insane hours. They have lost pay, like the rest of us, after years of Tory cuts and austerity (one of the most damaging political acts for decades). But so have most people, so I don't have a lot of sympathy now. OTOH, there are staff shortages across the NHS, so we need to pay them, and other health workers, enough to keep them.

No, and Yes.

Mean annual earnings (Aug 2024 to Aug 2025)
F1: £45,754
F2: £55,383
(CT1-3: £70,942)

There are two aspects to this.

Jobs.
There can be nothing more frustrating to qualify in the UK, only to find all the jobs have been taken already. Many by those from overseas. How and why the NHS is allowed to recruit before our own medical schools finish qualifying is beyond me.

Money.
They are living in the past. Tony Blair gave Junior Drs as they were called a huge pay increase in 2008. And they keep referring to it. By saying that if they were paid the equivalent now their pay would be xxxx. Except that was then and this is now. Governments cannot give 2008 equivalent pay rises each year.

So I really sympathise on the jobs front. Very much so. Am less sympathetic on the money front.

Media very rarely talk about the jobs aspect. So many think it is only about money. Which it isn’t. But many journalists don’t do detail.

I once asked my son, a doctor, if he'd ever considered working in the UK. He just about fell over laughing at putting up with the conditions UK doctors worked under.

They’ve just lost the deal they had re training by striking.

They’ve just lost the deal they had re training by striking.

id bet my mortgage that you don’t have the pressure or life saving decisions to make on your world. My SiL is a doctor at A&E in a deprived northern town. His working conditions and responsibilities are such that I wouldn’t do it for a hold clock.

How old are you? Twenty five or fifty five? Two years' experience or thirty?

YABU. I support them 100%.

Also the strike isn’t only about pay. It’s about jobs. Do you know how the training placement system works op?

Doctors think they are "special". Well they aren't. They have to live in the same world that we do.

@Paganpentacleit absolutely is a pay rise. Pay restoration is not a thing. Almost any profession you can name has lower pay compared to their status in 2008. The world has changed. We don’t have the money. I agree they deserve more but they will have to get it in stages. All the other NHS staff need pay rises too, and the energy bills will be enormous. They are getting extra training places, their exams paid, and other additional help. It’s a tough job, and I do think that when they get offered a place to train they should sign up to commit to working for the NHS for a fixed number of years in return for a reduction in their fees. We can’t afford to train all these drs for them to avoid paying back their fees by moving abroad. Most people would far rather have home grown drs than overseas ones in our hospitals so maybe some concession on fees could be done. But most of all they have to know that the pay rise they’ve been offered is the maximum the govt have in their coffers to offer. Where else are they going to get it? The 2 child cap is gone, fuel costs are up, and the MPs refuse to vote in favour of any cuts to public spending.

Not true. The staff members involved are professionally responsible for their own work

I don’t think there is much evidence of empathy given what they’re putting the public through yet again.

FFS.
Its not a pay rise... its restoration towards pay SHOULD be had they not be hammered over the last decade or so.
I'm an ANP .. I get paid more than that of those on point 5 ( the top point)
I would not get out of bed for their salary- would you?

I know. It’s very cringe

Well you can argue that point but doctors once full qualified can emigrate to places they'd be paid far more avoiding payback of loan or go into private medicine and earn a huge amount so pay it off much quicker than a graduate in something else

I don’t think most of them are lazy. When my son’s been in hospital, it’s the junior doctors that are available on the ward and seem to care. Yes, they work long hours and a FY1 earns just over £38,000 but they all knew what the wages were like when they initially started their training.

Isn’t it like any job, where you work long hours for not a massive amount of pay? If you like the job, you’re prepared for sacrifice for a few years because a consultant earns a bloody good wage.