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Aibu to hate Michael Gove?

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merrycola · 06/04/2026 21:18

AIBU to hate Michael Gove for single-handedly creating the “overdiagnosis” crisis he’s now nowhere near enough to answer for?
Because let’s connect the dots.
He made the curriculum harder, narrower, and more rigid. Ofsted built an inspection framework around it that treats children like data points. And now — years later — we’ve got CAMHS referrals through the roof, school avoidance at record levels, exclusion rates climbing, teachers quitting in droves, and a growing media narrative that too many children are being diagnosed and parents are being pushy.
But nobody seems to want to say the obvious thing: we didn’t suddenly produce a generation of broken children. We built a system that broke the environment around them and then pathologised the ones who couldn’t cope.
The strategies that actually help — clear instructions, sensory breaks, mutual respect, not shouting — aren’t special needs strategies. They’re just good teaching. But there’s no time for good teaching when you’re trying to force a curriculum designed by a man who apparently thinks childhood is an inefficiency to be optimised.

And here’s what really gets me. Every education secretary since could have undone it. But none of them have, because reversing course would mean admitting the whole framework was wrong and that it’s been harming children for over a decade. So instead we get headlines about overdiagnosis and parents wanting labels for benefits, while the man who lit the match is off doing whatever Michael Gove does now.

We didn’t get an overdiagnosis crisis. We got a system that can’t admit it failed, so it diagnosed the kids instead.

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EricTheHalfASleeve · 07/04/2026 08:04

The curriculum is different in Scotland and as far as I'm aware there is little difference in rates of diagnosis of additional learning needs between Scotland & England. Not convinced you can blame school curriculum for this.

The Scottish Curriculum for Excellence is much worse than the English system, and to get through Highers you have to answer questions in a very specific structure- just knowing the facts doesn't get you marks, they have to be stated in a very specific way! It's awful and Scottish PISA scores are worse than England & Wales - as is school attendance.

JoyApple · 07/04/2026 08:03

He's also a racist mega open Islamophobe. A deeply horrible nasty person with views that are deeply disgusting and dangerous.

60andcounting · 07/04/2026 08:02

CaptainCarrotsBigSword · 06/04/2026 22:00

When I was teaching, we were told be the LA the school needed a code phrase that could go out across the tannoy system if we had a dangerous intruder in the builder - basically a 'red alert, lock down classrooms' code that all the teachers would be alerted by, but wouldn't cause the kids to freak out.

We went with "Michael Gove is in the building".

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Araminta1003 · 07/04/2026 08:01

@MrsMurphyIWish - my nephew did iGCSE English lit last year (private school) and had far more flexibility and did not have to learn any quotes. Meanwhile, DD last year spent far too much time memorising quotes rather than going deep on understanding and cross text/context which is what he had the time to do.
Completely agree texts and formulas for maths/sciences should be provided but is this actually just another cost thing? They do not want everyone to purchase a clean copy book for the exam or do not want to provide it for free?

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 07/04/2026 08:00

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 07/04/2026 07:49

‘Fronted adverbials’ did it for me.

Time to go back to basics - including teaching children the difference between your and you’re, it’s and its, there/their/theyre - and FFS where to put an apostrophe - and where NOT to put one!

Fronted adverbials sounded terrifying when I heard them too, but my kids understand them.

Ive just asked my ten year old and he said ‘ they are like, ‘at midday’, ‘beneath the water’ stuff like that. Comes at the beginning of a sentence before the verb.’ 😆

Mapletree1985 · 07/04/2026 07:59

DeafLeppard · 07/04/2026 07:50

And yet the German system “writes off” kids far earlier on through selection to Gymnasium. If we did that here there would be a riot.

They're not "written off". They're channelled in a direction better suited to their abilities. It's both unrealistic and very expensive to think that all, or even a majority, of young people are university material - and people like you, who think of a non-university pathway as being "written off", are part of the problem.

Eastie77Returns · 07/04/2026 07:59

MayaPinion · 07/04/2026 06:10

But kids won’t be using pen and paper in the workplace. They’ll be using IT, AI, social media. They need to know it. I’d rather my kids know how to code, build apps, use AI, and have a thorough grounding in sustainability as those are core future skills.

English lit. should be an option. It’s a ‘nice to have’ but how many times will your kids be asked about the relationship between Titania and Oberon in a job interview?

OP, if I remember correctly, wasn’t that gobshite Dominic Cummings Gove’s SPAD in the Department of Education at the time? He was central to driving those reforms that did so much damage. Everything he touches turns to shit.

Edited

Your kids won’t need to know how to code or build apps as Agentic / vibe coding will take care of that. The (tech) company I work for has recently fired thousands of people, many of whom were coders and software developers.

English Lit really shouldn’t be an option. The ability to read, understand and analyze a variety of texts is really, really important.

MumsGoneToIceland · 07/04/2026 07:57

Needspaceforlego · 07/04/2026 07:19

Memorise 12 poems, I'm guessing you are being serious, and not exaggerating but what the actual fuck???

Short term memory is the biggest driver of dyslexia, thats what really makes dyslexics struggle to learn to spell, trying to memories poems is absolutely setting those kids up for failure.
Dyslexia, ASHD. ASD all overlap and all run together.

I'm willing to bet that alone is a big driver in parents seeking diagnosis for there kids.

I'm Scotland still to hit the Nat 4/ 5 but I'd be willing to bet they aren't much different. On fucking wonder I know 3 girls all really struggling with anxiety. Btw the 3 girls are in different circles and don't know each other.

I know i couldn't cope with that.

Not exaggerating unfortunately 😞

Bringemout · 07/04/2026 07:57

Chigreenen · 07/04/2026 07:55

Proof that it works well for the able kids.

Good, our most able children are going to be the ones generating wealth that pays the taxes for my pension (if it still exists and they don’t all flee the country). We need to have more respect for alternatives to university as a culture tbh.

MayaPinion · 07/04/2026 07:56

JumpinJellyfish · 07/04/2026 07:08

Then the problem is not the subject but the way it is taught.

If taught properly, it does provide the skills and knowledge that will help students get decent jobs. You’ve listed off a load of different subjects which, I agree, children should also have the opportunity to study, but none of them are better or more relevant than English. And I note none of them were mentioned in your first post, which seemed to suggest that kids should be studying social media.

Then how can teachers be trained to teach it in a way that’s engaging and relevant?

And pupils absolutely should be studying social media. They should be learning to think critically about it and how to use it responsibly, and also how to harness and create it. So much of our exposure to advertising, new ideas, and debating current affairs happens over social media. Even this Talk platform on Mumsnet is social media and people are doing PhDs on it. Social media is where real discussions about relationships are happening, not during an 20 point question about the Macbeth’s codependent marriage.

matresense · 07/04/2026 07:56

Isn’t the rise of SEN issues just as likely to be about the fact that most people now have two full time working parents, minimal grandparental help and so little slack, plus more screens?

Bringemout · 07/04/2026 07:56

I think theres a culture of thinking you must enjoy everything. No you don’t, you don’t have to enjoy every subject you just need to know what you need to know. I didn’t particularly enjoy school. I didn’t even particularly like the subjects I got A’s in at gcse and a-level, I had to make more effort on some subjects than others, thats life.

I fucking hate exercising, I still do it because I have a sedentary life and a lazy nature and if i do zero exercise I’m pretty sure I would eventually stop moving completely. It is not a requirement that we should all enjoy and feel fulfilled by everything we do. Do we take the same attitude towards working? Oh you don’t enjoy working, thats fine stay at home then, don’t earn any money?

Chigreenen · 07/04/2026 07:55

Bringemout · 07/04/2026 07:51

Didn’t our pisa scores improve due to changes, I would think thats proof that the approach works even if people find it hard.

Proof that it works well for the able kids.

Mischance · 07/04/2026 07:55

Sooose · 07/04/2026 07:42

I'm sure change will come...eventually. Change always does come. The question is, will anybody change it for the better?
I've heard murmurings about tailored learning, where each pupil works at their own speed and achieves each stage marker when they are ready. Is this possible with current staffing levels? Would you need more teachers per 30 children to keep everyone on track? It would certainly be revolutionary.

As change plods it's way towards us whole cohorts of children will have been ground down by this nonsense.
Academically able children sail their way through just about anything, but those for whom learning is a challenge are the victims .... as well as the teachers.

Mapletree1985 · 07/04/2026 07:55

If you think the British curriculum is hard, you should see what school is like in China.

It is unreasonable to expect every child to succeed at the same level. Half of all children are less than averagely intelligent.

Noras · 07/04/2026 07:54

Mengo · 07/04/2026 07:31

Can the two even be compared? We have very different cultures, child rearing methods. We could no more recreate/emulate those methods than they would ours.

Would we not be better to look towards schooling methods that would stand a chance within our culture? Perhaps look at Finland and their consistently outstanding and child-led education system?

I think some of the things that China does are amazing. In particular the notion of exercise eg 20 minute exercise before lesson even begin would be great for those who struggle to focus.

We need to take what other countries do well and improve education eg Italy finishes school at aged 19 this could be good.

Also the education provided now in the UK is amazing and kids are leaving primary schools with far better knowledge than 40 years ago.

RoyalImpatience · 07/04/2026 07:54

@EdithBond many DC who fail the phonics test so have send /dyslexia and are phonics blind.

EdithBond · 07/04/2026 07:52

100% agree. He took the joy out of learning for kids. It ruined all three of my kids’ education.

But there was worse. My friend’s DS’s (oversubscribed) secondary suggested he should be tested for SEND because he wasn’t hitting their average grades in league tables, when he was way ahead of my DS (regular secondary). Needless to say she didn’t listen to them, he’s not ND and has since done just fine in life.

So many kids now think they’re failures or SEND when actually they were being set up to fail. Kids should leave school with a lifelong love of learning and the confidence to innovate, rather than being able to regurgitate via a set formula. That’s automation not education.

Needlenardlenoo · 07/04/2026 07:51

Thesunisrising · 06/04/2026 23:28

I've just seen there was in fact a review of the curriculum with a report published at the end of last year. I'm not surprised it passed me by as I can't see any news stories on it in the mainstream press. I've only had a quick scan of the executive summary but it doesn't look like it's recommending any fundamental changes.

I don't know what the answer is. Both my DC have had a very rough time in school and it's so sad. Forget a love of learning - for them school has been something to survive, and a huge endurance test for us all.

I filled in the consultation for that review of the curriculum. It covered everything from nursery up to university and had 30+ pages many with free text boxes.

The social scientist in me winced. What on earth useful analysis can they do with that?

Bringemout · 07/04/2026 07:51

Didn’t our pisa scores improve due to changes, I would think thats proof that the approach works even if people find it hard.

Chigreenen · 07/04/2026 07:51

Sooose · 07/04/2026 07:42

I'm sure change will come...eventually. Change always does come. The question is, will anybody change it for the better?
I've heard murmurings about tailored learning, where each pupil works at their own speed and achieves each stage marker when they are ready. Is this possible with current staffing levels? Would you need more teachers per 30 children to keep everyone on track? It would certainly be revolutionary.

That would be fine if it didn’t result in a dumbing down for all, but here in Scotland it’s the brightest that suffer with ‘individualised learning’. You’re alright, you’re clever enough. We need to work on those struggling. Meaning bright kids are bored and not at all stretched.

School shouldn’t just be fun, it should also equip bright kids with a stretching education that makes the most of their talents and drives them on to successful, high paying careers as that’s what raises a good tax take in the future and helps fund the public services of tomorrow. I think the Government reforms recognise this, but neglect to provide an alternative education for those who aren’t high achieving.

RoyalImpatience · 07/04/2026 07:50

@Mengo done properly it sounds promising.

AmberSpy · 07/04/2026 07:50

Noras · 07/04/2026 07:20

Education is the backbone of national development—and no two countries illustrate contrasting philosophies quite like China and the United Kingdom. Both boast centuries-old traditions of learning, but their modern systems differ profoundly in structure, expectations, and outcomes. While the UK promotes creativity and independence, China’s rigorous system emphasizes discipline, mastery, and effort. Each has its strengths, but recent global rankings and real-world performance suggest that China’s approach may be better at preparing students for the competitive realities of the 21st century.
Academic Discipline vs. Holistic Freedom
Perhaps the most striking difference lies in academic intensity. Chinese students face longer school days, heavier homework loads, and a stronger focus on foundational subjects like math, science, and languages. The high-stakes Gaokao (college entrance exam) is infamous, but it drives an unparalleled level of academic commitment across the country.
In contrast, UK students benefit from a broader, more holistic curriculum—one that values well-being, extracurricular activities, and critical thinking. While this encourages personal development, it can sometimes dilute academic rigor, especially in early years when foundational skills are most crucial.
PISA test results—international benchmarks of education quality—consistently show Chinese students outperforming their UK peers in math, science, and reading. It’s not because Chinese children are inherently smarter, but because their system demands more and instills stronger study habits early on.
Respect for Teachers and Authority
In China, teachers command deep respect. Classrooms are highly structured, with clear hierarchies and expectations. Students rarely interrupt, and educators are regarded not just as facilitators but as moral guides and subject-matter experts. The result is fewer classroom disruptions and more instructional time.
In the UK, the relationship between teacher and student is more casual, which can foster open dialogue and creativity—but also leads to challenges with discipline and engagement, especially in underfunded schools.
This cultural difference plays a major role in outcomes. Where UK teachers often battle for attention, Chinese educators benefit from a culture that places learning and authority at the center of youth development.
Emphasis on Effort Over Talent
One of the quiet strengths of the Chinese system is its belief in effort over innate ability. Success isn’t attributed to being naturally gifted, but to hard work—a mindset that drives persistence and resilience. Students are taught early that excellence is earned, not inherited.
By contrast, the UK—like much of the West—often praises talent and originality. While this nurtures individuality, it may also lead some students to give up early if they don’t see themselves as “naturally good” at a subject.
China’s emphasis on effort democratizes success: any child, with enough focus and discipline, can rise.
Innovation vs. Mastery: The Trade-Off
To be fair, China’s strengths in structure and discipline sometimes come at the cost of creativity and mental well-being. Students are under immense pressure, and rote learning can limit imaginative thinking. The UK system, meanwhile, cultivates debate, expression, and innovation—key ingredients for entrepreneurship and design.
Yet as China reforms its education system, blending traditional rigor with creative programs, it may soon achieve the best of both worlds. Initiatives to reduce homework, reform university admissions, and expand STEAM learning (Science, Tech, Engineering, Arts, Math) are already underway.
Conclusion
The UK and Chinese education systems represent two ends of a philosophical spectrum: one centred on discipline, effort, and collective achievement; the other on individuality, balance, and expression.
But in a world of global competition—where foundational skills, resilience, and long-term focus matter more than ever—it’s hard to ignore the edge the Chinese model provides. A bit more structure, respect for effort, and academic intensity may be just what Western systems need to re-energize future generations.

Why do people post this AI-generated nonsense on threads? What does this achieve?

DeafLeppard · 07/04/2026 07:50

Bringemout · 07/04/2026 07:47

I think the german system and ethos is superior in this regard, I think though in the UK theres a lot of snobbery around being a non degree holder which is entirely unwarranted.

And yet the German system “writes off” kids far earlier on through selection to Gymnasium. If we did that here there would be a riot.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 07/04/2026 07:49

‘Fronted adverbials’ did it for me.

Time to go back to basics - including teaching children the difference between your and you’re, it’s and its, there/their/theyre - and FFS where to put an apostrophe - and where NOT to put one!

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