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AIBU to think face coverings in public should be banned?

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OpheliaWasntMad · 06/04/2026 14:53

Should all types of face covering in public be banned? I think they should. Mainly I’m concerned that people in balaclavas and face coverings are shoplifting and stealing phones etc with impunity.
People with balaclavas on marches look threatening and sinister.
Women with niqabs create a barrier between themselves and others as it’s hard to form connections if you can’t see someone’s facial expressions.
I think all face covering should be banned. It contributes to a society that feels more unsafe and divided.

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Thechaseison71 · 06/04/2026 22:15

Usernamenotfound1 · 06/04/2026 16:57

so say you ban niquab’s.

now those women aren’t allowed in public or in the vicinity of non-related men because their culture requires them to be covered.

so your attempt to reduce isolation actually results in increased isolation.

then what?

Which culture requires the niqab? Headcovering is a thing but the niqab?

Thechaseison71 · 06/04/2026 22:14

TheCatSitterDM · 06/04/2026 17:23

You still haven't answered my question, will I get hauled away in a police car for wearing my scarf over my nose or wearing my pink fluffy balaclava hat on the school run mid winter? I mean there are over 500+ parents on a small playground, does that count as a busy public space?

Or would the law only be in place during the summer? Or only after dark? Or only in groups over 4? Or only for Muslim women and teen boys? I'm genuinely interested in the parameters of this proposed ban

Edited

Lol you might for the pink fluffy balaclava. Crimes against fashion

Thechaseison71 · 06/04/2026 22:07

Somnambule · 06/04/2026 14:59

Have you actually spent time with women in niqab? Although it's very uncommon where I live, from time to time I work alongside women in niqab and I honestly don't feel it creates a barrier at all. A huge amount of non-verbal communication happens through the eyes.

It's very difficult to have conversation when you rely on lip reading though

sunshinestar1986 · 06/04/2026 22:05

OpheliaWasntMad · 06/04/2026 17:21

Do you get to speak for Muslim women?
Muslim women will have different views on this like all the rest of us

I think it's patronising to say they are being repressed when plenty like it.
Why are you commenting on what women choose to wear?

MsGreying · 06/04/2026 21:49

Somnambule · 06/04/2026 15:01

Good point about Sara Sharif. Seeing young girls in any sort of veil or covering does make me feel uncomfortable I have to admit.

There's some very little ones near me all covered up. It doesn't feel right.

OpheliaWasntMad · 06/04/2026 21:32

For those who keep insinuating that my post is stupid and racist -
A full list of countries here of who banned face covering
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-48092641

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OpheliaWasntMad · 06/04/2026 21:30

Mirrormirroronthewal · 06/04/2026 21:26

Most of the foreheads in my social circle no longer have the ability to convey any information or cues.

Would you ban Botox as well?

😂

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OpheliaWasntMad · 06/04/2026 21:29

TheCatSitterDM · 06/04/2026 21:20

Except this isn't a middle Eastern country- we already have laws that prosecute coercive control (like forcing a woman to vail her face against her wishes).
The goverment bringing in laws to control how women dress under the guise of stopping men controlling how women dress is a ludicrous suggestion

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At least 24 countries have placed some restrictions around the wearing of full-face coverings in public,( although in most cases it applies only in public buildings.) The countries who have banned face coverings include liberal democracies and dictatorships, Muslim-dominated and non Muslim-dominated countries. They are: Algeria, Austria, Azerbaijan, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Chad, China, Denmark, France , Latvian, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Gabon, Norway, Turkey , Sri Lanka , Uzbekistan, Tunisian…. Amongst others …

So I don’t understand the accusations that this is a “ ludicrous” or “racist” suggestion .

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Mirrormirroronthewal · 06/04/2026 21:26

OpheliaWasntMad · 06/04/2026 15:14

I’m afraid I cannot agree that it is easy to pick up on non verbal cues if you can’t see only see the eyes.
A great deal of information is conveyed through the mouth and forehead.

Most of the foreheads in my social circle no longer have the ability to convey any information or cues.

Would you ban Botox as well?

TheCatSitterDM · 06/04/2026 21:20

MightyDandelionEsq · 06/04/2026 20:11

Then you have no idea how patriarchal and abusive religions can be to women. Look at the Middle Eastern countries and what they’re doing to women and girls right now.

This is about everyone from someone wearing a bike helmet to another wearing a balaclava having to show their faces in public settings. Unfortunately the high trust society has started to be decimated and we need to be able to identify and persecute troublemakers.

Except this isn't a middle Eastern country- we already have laws that prosecute coercive control (like forcing a woman to vail her face against her wishes).
The goverment bringing in laws to control how women dress under the guise of stopping men controlling how women dress is a ludicrous suggestion

scalt · 06/04/2026 20:36

Are hoodies (the garments, not the people who wear them) still banned in Bluewater shopping centre?

Hug a hoodie!

Blocksfruity · 06/04/2026 20:26

What an absolutely idiotic idea. It's like disabled people don't exist to you people. What about people who can't go out without a mask because an infection could quite literally kill them? Currently dealing with this now with a family member who has leukemia

atomeve · 06/04/2026 20:22

pinkstripeycat · 06/04/2026 19:49

A man dressed as a Muslim woman was sent to prison for taking driving tests theory over and over so people who weren’t good enough to pass it themselves were recorded as having passed it.

Now they pretty much strip you naked when you take your driving theory. Yes I’m being silly but they do ask pupils to roll up their trousers and sleeves, turn pockets inside out, lift hair up and remove glasses to check for recording devices.

My 2 lady Muslim pupils weren’t checked at all even though there are plenty of female staff present to check them.

At the driving test centre several men dressed as Muslim women were found to be taking driving tests for people who weren’t at an acceptable standard to take them themselves. Now there are always female examiners present to check the identity of anyone who turns up with a face covering. No one seems to anymore.

Citation needed.

Isabella70 · 06/04/2026 20:18

dizzydizzydizzy · 06/04/2026 15:01

Dows this include medical face masks, such as the ones we wore in tbe pandemic? I see quite a lot of people wearing them still.

...and nuns

MightyDandelionEsq · 06/04/2026 20:16

JustGotToKeepOnKeepingOn · 06/04/2026 17:14

What a vile racist thread. It couldn’t be any more thinly disguised if it tried.

ETA I’ve reported this thread so hopefully it’ll be gone soon.

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Being a Muslim isn’t a race.

There are even vile white men like Andrew Tate who have converted. There are many white Muslims like in Algeria.

I don’t really care for the racist word when it comes to women’s rights sorry. You won’t scare many of us off with that nonsense anymore.

PGmicstand · 06/04/2026 20:14

The main issue is youths in balaclavas and bike helmets? Then that is what should be required to be removed when going into a public place.
I have no issue with women wearing face coverings as long as they want to.
Similarly I have no issue with people wearing scarves when its hot, or medical grade masks on public transport.

TheGrumpyCatLady · 06/04/2026 20:11

OpheliaWasntMad · 06/04/2026 19:49

I accept that this is a challenging area and I don’t want disabled people to be discriminated against or be made to feel uncomfortable.

I don’t accept that it is ok for hordes of teenagers wearing balaclavas to storm shopping areas.

I think face covering in public should be in very exceptional cases.
I don’t have a perfect solution but the current situation needs to be addressed.

It’s not remotely challenging, and medical conditions where someone ends up immunocompromised are NOT exceptional. There are many hundreds of thousands of immunocompromised people. We have families who also take precautions.

It is a huge leap from “I don’t want hordes of teenagers wearing balaclavas to storm shopping centres” to “all face coverings should be banned in public”!

I don’t want hordes of teenagers to storm shopping centres either.

Banning disabled people from doing their shopping in a medical mask won’t stop hordes of teenagers storming shopping centres.

Banning women who wear face coverings for religious reasons from accessing public spaces won’t stop hordes of teenagers storming shopping centres.

Banning wearing scarfs and balaclavas won’t stop hordes of teenagers storming shopping centres.

I don’t know what will stop this violent and antisocial behaviour, but surely a reasonable first step would be to increase the police presence, and require the police to take action? Taking direct steps to tackle the antisocial behaviour, rather than banning disabled and religious people (women) from public life…

MightyDandelionEsq · 06/04/2026 20:11

TheCatSitterDM · 06/04/2026 16:48

But the goverment outlawing what women what they can and can't wear wouldn't be a controlling at all?
I trust women to make their own decisions with their own bodies and how they decide to dress them.

Then you have no idea how patriarchal and abusive religions can be to women. Look at the Middle Eastern countries and what they’re doing to women and girls right now.

This is about everyone from someone wearing a bike helmet to another wearing a balaclava having to show their faces in public settings. Unfortunately the high trust society has started to be decimated and we need to be able to identify and persecute troublemakers.

TreeDudette · 06/04/2026 20:09

My face has been covered when out of the house for the last few months due to the weather. I have a fab snood that covers my chin and mouth and nose and a big woolly hat the comes down to my eyebrows. I speak to plenty of folks whilst out and about and no one seems threatened by me.

MightyDandelionEsq · 06/04/2026 20:09

PandoraSocks · 06/04/2026 16:44

Banning face coverings is not going to help Muslim women who are being coerced into wearing them. Quite the opposite.

Iran once banned veils and what happened was that many women were confined to their homes because they either didn't want or weren't allowed to go out with their faces uncovered. If they did go out in public with their faces covered they were beaten and had their veils torn off.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashf-ehijab

Women should be able to choose.

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So what you’re saying here is we should accept women’s faces completely shrouded in public in case their husbands commit domestic violence and keep them as prisoners?

No. As western women we should do all in our power for outreach to Muslim women and make this behaviour completely unacceptable in the UK. We do not bow down to vile men and their demands here and we should not allow the slow creep under the malicious guise of religious freedom. I don’t care who your sky fairy is, women should not be suffering at the hands of men. Giving up is pathetic.

MightyDandelionEsq · 06/04/2026 20:07

TheCatSitterDM · 06/04/2026 16:41

As an aside, I’d welcome a ban on all face coverings.

Have you ever walked your kids to school in the icy cold winds in the Yorkshire Dales?! Even in my pink fluffy balaclava style hat my nose is still painfully numb Dec - Feb and the school is only a 15 minute walk each way. Why should I not be able to keep warm in the winter?!

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Oh behave. One is for the cold winter, another is religious oppression and the final one is because you’re up to no good.

scalt · 06/04/2026 20:03

Poor old Johnson. He would have liked to ban any kind of face covering, but his handlers made him tell us to wear them. He tried to resist wearing one himself, but his handlers brainwashed him by showing him a montage of world leaders, all wearing a face nappy covering, then photos of himself not wearing one.

atomeve · 06/04/2026 19:54

People who wear face coverings to break the law aren't going to be put off by making face coverings unlawful...

pinkstripeycat · 06/04/2026 19:49

A man dressed as a Muslim woman was sent to prison for taking driving tests theory over and over so people who weren’t good enough to pass it themselves were recorded as having passed it.

Now they pretty much strip you naked when you take your driving theory. Yes I’m being silly but they do ask pupils to roll up their trousers and sleeves, turn pockets inside out, lift hair up and remove glasses to check for recording devices.

My 2 lady Muslim pupils weren’t checked at all even though there are plenty of female staff present to check them.

At the driving test centre several men dressed as Muslim women were found to be taking driving tests for people who weren’t at an acceptable standard to take them themselves. Now there are always female examiners present to check the identity of anyone who turns up with a face covering. No one seems to anymore.

OpheliaWasntMad · 06/04/2026 19:49

TheGrumpyCatLady · 06/04/2026 19:16

How will “medical exemptions” work?

As someone upthread asks, are we supposed to strip off to show our scars and bald heads before entering Tesco? Do we need to recite our lists of medications before getting on the bus? How will this be enforced? Are bus drivers qualified to do this? Will there be a panel of bus passengers deciding whether we can get on? How will privacy be assured, or do you propose that the public should have access to undressed disabled bodies, and/or our medical history, so everyone knows we have an “exemption”? Will you call the police to question masked cancer patients catching a bus to the hospital so they can prove their “exempt” status?

It’s ridiculous, and as I have already said it is clear discrimination. (Requiring a disabled person to disclose private information to access a service, and not requiring the same disclosure of a non disabled person, is the definition of discrimination.)

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I accept that this is a challenging area and I don’t want disabled people to be discriminated against or be made to feel uncomfortable.

I don’t accept that it is ok for hordes of teenagers wearing balaclavas to storm shopping areas.

I think face covering in public should be in very exceptional cases.
I don’t have a perfect solution but the current situation needs to be addressed.

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