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To think psychiatry is misogynistic?

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tvde · 05/04/2026 06:15

I have been reading works of feminist psychologists such as Jess Taylor and critical works of people such as Joanna moncrieff.

the argument is:

  • Trauma responses to abuse are normal, rational, and proportionate to what someone has experienced.
  • What is often labelled as “mental illness” can actually be understandable reactions to violence and oppression.
  • The mental health system has a history of pathologising women’s responses, especially after abuse, instead of addressing the trauma itself.
  • This can become a form of victim blaming, where women are judged for their reactions (e.g. being “too emotional,” “unstable,” or “making bad choices”).
  • These patterns are shaped by broader systems like patriarchy and racism, which influence how people are diagnosed and treated.
  • Common narratives shift responsibility away from perpetrators and subtly place it on victims (e.g. questioning behaviour, choices, or credibility).
  • Widespread rape myths reinforce this—such as believing it’s not “real” rape without physical resistance or injuries, or that men “didn’t mean to.”
  • theyre given drugs which don’t actually have good success rates (see moncrieff)

I see this countless times working with women and child victims.
Have you experienced this to?

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Latenightpostings · 06/04/2026 00:52

tvde · 05/04/2026 09:21

Thank you for this. I agree that it’s worth scrutinising any extreme opinions strongly and this is why I encourage open debate about this.

I don’t believe in everything she says - I do believe diagnoses have their places and to remove them entirely would be counterproductive. But she does give a voice to thousands who have gone through this process, fight for them and that I do respect

She doesn't fight for them, she is a narcissist who exploits them for her own personal gain.

None of her ideas are original and certainly she's not a force for good.

I had the displeasure of knowing her fairly well in real life, I was taking in by her bullshit for a while. But trust me, it really is bullshit. That woman is a grifter, a bully and a compulsive liar. She doesn't have an ethical bone in her body.

I have a feeling Mumsnet doesn't allow links to this website, but if you google Tattle Life and her name, you'll find a long running set of threads there including testamony from several people who know her personally on what goes on behind the facade.

Bertiebiscuit · 06/04/2026 00:42

I was told to be quiet when i was in labour, apparently i was "scaring the other women". I was in labour for 24 hours, was shunted from hospital to hospital in an ambulance, was denied an epidural and ended up having a forceps delivery. I had a midwife visiting me who had never had children, and i struggled to breast feed, ending up with bleeding nipples,because we were told we "ought" to breast feed. And yet people, including my g. P were surprised when i had post natal depression and had panic attacks for years after. If that isn't a story of misogyny i don't know what is.

Bertiebiscuit · 06/04/2026 00:32

TheHouse · 05/04/2026 14:22

It can be but Jess Taylor certainly wasn’t the pioneer or the founder of such thinking. She was in no way original. Her books are very pop psychology. She’s also not a forensic psychologist.

But she is a woman and a feminist,so i consider her opinions to be worthy of consideration. Many of the male theorists from the past who are still taken seriously were even less qualified than her - being men and definitely not feminists.

Notatallanamechange · 06/04/2026 00:20

Isn’t Jess Taylor a total hack?

Bertiebiscuit · 06/04/2026 00:15

porridgecake · 05/04/2026 07:51

Read "The Women's Room" by Marilyn French. So much in that novel that still resonates today.

The book that changed my life

tvde · 05/04/2026 23:55

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Where did you read this? This is awful and I will ask for the post to be removed if this is true?

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TheHouse · 05/04/2026 23:12

@voltana

she never used to hate men when she had a husband and was working for a men’s MH charity lol. She did change her tune though 😂.

voltana · 05/04/2026 23:10

id struggle to take Jess Taylor seriously because she clearly vehemently hates men. I’d rather take the opinion of a person with more balanced views.

tvde · 05/04/2026 23:04

PurpleLovecats · 05/04/2026 22:54

I can’t even get an appointment with them, the psychiatrists gave discharged me.

But I bet if I was a man and I bet if I was a different race (ie non white) then I would have been in a psych hospital before you know it.

Im really sorry, i dont know if anyone who works in adult services can advise you on next steps maybe? This sounds horrible.

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PurpleLovecats · 05/04/2026 22:54

tvde · 05/04/2026 22:45

That is awful and yes that sounds like a lot more than a personality disorder and I think you should take someone with you from PALs and keep going back until you get the correct medication for you

I can’t even get an appointment with them, the psychiatrists gave discharged me.

But I bet if I was a man and I bet if I was a different race (ie non white) then I would have been in a psych hospital before you know it.

Losingtheplot2016 · 05/04/2026 22:47

I’ve just been talking to a friend recently about the hypothesis that young anorexic girls trying to stay like children so they can be cared for without having to take adult responsibility.

These are girls in eating disorders clinics who have eating disorders as a response to abuse in their families .

This feels ‘misogynistic’ and shaming to me.

tvde · 05/04/2026 22:45

PurpleLovecats · 05/04/2026 22:41

Psychiatry is a joke.

I’ve been (I believe) misdiagnosed with personality disorder. The treatment you receive when you get that diagnosis is beyond shocking. Treated as a nuisance. I’ve been called attention seeking and hysterical. Been told I’m too demanding. Been refused medication that worked. When I was really unwell I was taking knives to bed. Threatening to kill people, self harming daily. I stuck pictures all over my window of faces to “practise learning who was evil”. I made a dummy and stabbed it multiple times. I filled notebooks and stuck notes round the house which said things lie “trust nobody”, “kill all evil”, “follow the saviour”.
My family were told that as I had not harmed anyone so far then I wasn’t a risk. BUT the MH team wouldn’t visit me at home yet left me with my family who I was threatening.

In desperation, I started taking antipsychotics again that they said I didn’t need. I feel like a different person. I don’t hear the voices now or have angels visit me telling me to kill people. I can drive safely. I can sleep without being woken by voices, read books, go out.

I was too scared to leave the house as the voices told me to kill people. This weekend I even went to the cinema with my daughter.

That is awful and yes that sounds like a lot more than a personality disorder and I think you should take someone with you from PALs and keep going back until you get the correct medication for you

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PurpleLovecats · 05/04/2026 22:41

Psychiatry is a joke.

I’ve been (I believe) misdiagnosed with personality disorder. The treatment you receive when you get that diagnosis is beyond shocking. Treated as a nuisance. I’ve been called attention seeking and hysterical. Been told I’m too demanding. Been refused medication that worked. When I was really unwell I was taking knives to bed. Threatening to kill people, self harming daily. I stuck pictures all over my window of faces to “practise learning who was evil”. I made a dummy and stabbed it multiple times. I filled notebooks and stuck notes round the house which said things lie “trust nobody”, “kill all evil”, “follow the saviour”.
My family were told that as I had not harmed anyone so far then I wasn’t a risk. BUT the MH team wouldn’t visit me at home yet left me with my family who I was threatening.

In desperation, I started taking antipsychotics again that they said I didn’t need. I feel like a different person. I don’t hear the voices now or have angels visit me telling me to kill people. I can drive safely. I can sleep without being woken by voices, read books, go out.

I was too scared to leave the house as the voices told me to kill people. This weekend I even went to the cinema with my daughter.

tvde · 05/04/2026 22:41

Blueorange32 · 05/04/2026 22:37

Do you think the case of Melanie Gill (the self-proclaimed “psychologist” who was doing expert witness work) is also okay on these grounds?

I don’t know who she is so I’ll look her up.

with Jess Taylor it’s a hard one isn’t it? Because it’s all about protected titles, confidentiality and monetising vulnerable people. But equally there’s clearly a demand for what she’s saying and it’s resonating with some people. If people want to spend their money and seek alternative opinions and she’s not lying about what she can offer, is that a her problem or a law problem?

i don’t agree with sharing abuse victims stories without their consent but this happens all the time. Did the little girl in the newspaper consent to her story being shared?

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TheHouse · 05/04/2026 22:37

@tvde

I did get PND after baby number 2. Consciously I thought I was okay. Dealing with it all just fine. Thriving infact.

It is only really on reflection I can truly understand how traumatising it all was. I was 23, not much support. Run ragged with my toddler. No sleep.

I am someone who doesn’t consciously experience depression, it comes out somatically. I will present with a physical illness. For example, severe joint pain.

Generally I am stable. For the past week I’ve had back pain and I’m like ahhh okay, I’m depressed.

Once i acknowledge this, take the necessary self care steps and change current life circumstances, the physical pain disappears.

I just do not express it in the normal way.

Blueorange32 · 05/04/2026 22:37

tvde · 05/04/2026 22:29

I know and it’s incredibly annoying once someone is operating outside of them.
the problem is she makes a lot more money publishing books, posting on social media, selling courses etc than she would being a licensed professional. I’ve looked at her social media and she doesn’t seem to be giving medical advice. She seems to be an annoying woman who won’t shut up using any means possible to bring attention to her cause.

Do you think the case of Melanie Gill (the self-proclaimed “psychologist” who was doing expert witness work) is also okay on these grounds?

AnyIdiot · 05/04/2026 22:33

I think even people in psychology acknowledge that psychology has a history of misogyny. Both in the way women have been treated and the erasure of women’s achievements. There is a parallel with medicine where women’s pain is not treated with as much care as men’s.

tvde · 05/04/2026 22:32

TheHouse · 05/04/2026 22:28

@LifesabagofRevels

Giving birth to a baby and becoming a mother is a form of small T trauma. Even if you’re not consciously accepting that.

This. All the thoughts of what could have gone wrong, all the stress of caring for a new baby. I fell asleep breast feeding once and was traumatised by the idea I could have killed my baby.
trauma doesn’t have to be bombs or abuse

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tvde · 05/04/2026 22:29

Blueorange32 · 05/04/2026 22:25

Maybe it’s not illegal but it is definitely the kind of thing that would get her struck off any professional register. The issue is she doesn’t have a professional body and so can do this with no repercussions.

I know and it’s incredibly annoying once someone is operating outside of them.
the problem is she makes a lot more money publishing books, posting on social media, selling courses etc than she would being a licensed professional. I’ve looked at her social media and she doesn’t seem to be giving medical advice. She seems to be an annoying woman who won’t shut up using any means possible to bring attention to her cause.

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TheHouse · 05/04/2026 22:28

@LifesabagofRevels

Giving birth to a baby and becoming a mother is a form of small T trauma. Even if you’re not consciously accepting that.

LifesabagofRevels · 05/04/2026 22:27

I know for a fact my brain does not like massive fluctuations of female hormones. I had a great pregnancy, textbook birth, amazing support and zero trauma. Ended up with severe PND.
Subsequently suffered PMDD. I could literally feel the black clouds lifting the moment my period started.
Medication has been life changing for me.
Some mental ill health has nothing to do with trauma.

Blueorange32 · 05/04/2026 22:25

tvde · 05/04/2026 22:14

I think it’s completely morally disgusting but unfortunately legal. My point is that she’s getting so much shit for this. But she’s not the only or first person to do this. And unfortunately it’s not illegal.

Maybe it’s not illegal but it is definitely the kind of thing that would get her struck off any professional register. The issue is she doesn’t have a professional body and so can do this with no repercussions.

Sosaidkaye · 05/04/2026 22:23

tvde · 05/04/2026 09:39

It’s not that’s kind of my point. Of course if you were severely abused you’d have issues. Do we need to say that’s a you problem? Or can we be compassionate and say yes that’s a pretty normal response to being abused?

I have met many, many psych patients. Most of them have/ had suffered abuse either before they became ill or after, often both. If you are talking about someone diagnosed with PTSD or anxiety/ depression, that is one thing, but when the person has personality disorder, schizophrenia, schizoaffective, bipolar, unipolar etc, it is very much a problem that requires whatever the appropriate, available treatment is.
Some psychiatrists are crap, like any type of medical professional, but overall they treat patients on an individual basis and they do take into consideration the traumatic experiences a patient has had but the first thing they need to do is get that person to a place where they can basically function properly. You can only get help processing past trauma once you are reasonably well and able.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 05/04/2026 22:19

What’s happening in family courts is equally appalling. Children not wanting to go to contact with abusive fathers and mothers being pathologized as alienators ruining their relationship and psychologists and cafcasssuggesting custody changes or contact holidays to force a bond with the abuser (via Stockholm syndrome I guess)