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To think psychiatry is misogynistic?

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tvde · 05/04/2026 06:15

I have been reading works of feminist psychologists such as Jess Taylor and critical works of people such as Joanna moncrieff.

the argument is:

  • Trauma responses to abuse are normal, rational, and proportionate to what someone has experienced.
  • What is often labelled as “mental illness” can actually be understandable reactions to violence and oppression.
  • The mental health system has a history of pathologising women’s responses, especially after abuse, instead of addressing the trauma itself.
  • This can become a form of victim blaming, where women are judged for their reactions (e.g. being “too emotional,” “unstable,” or “making bad choices”).
  • These patterns are shaped by broader systems like patriarchy and racism, which influence how people are diagnosed and treated.
  • Common narratives shift responsibility away from perpetrators and subtly place it on victims (e.g. questioning behaviour, choices, or credibility).
  • Widespread rape myths reinforce this—such as believing it’s not “real” rape without physical resistance or injuries, or that men “didn’t mean to.”
  • theyre given drugs which don’t actually have good success rates (see moncrieff)

I see this countless times working with women and child victims.
Have you experienced this to?

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labtest57 · 18/04/2026 15:21

Bertiebiscuit · 06/04/2026 00:32

But she is a woman and a feminist,so i consider her opinions to be worthy of consideration. Many of the male theorists from the past who are still taken seriously were even less qualified than her - being men and definitely not feminists.

She is not in any way a feminist. JT will claim to be whatever will benefit her at the time. Shes a pathological liar, I have receipts, and a grifter.

PurpleLovecats · 06/04/2026 21:04

Onthesamepage · 06/04/2026 20:13

But you have said previously that you have had numerous admissions and they didn’t help.

Some did in terms of being given medication. The issue with admissions is that there is nothing offered other than medication but that was what I needed so would have been welcomed by my family. As it is, I’ve had to self medicate with no supervision.
I was in a couple of years ago for five weeks and actually cried when I was sent home as I felt safe!

supples · 06/04/2026 20:31

Our society and culture is built on misogyny, so of course psychiatry is affected by this.

Onthesamepage · 06/04/2026 20:13

PurpleLovecats · 05/04/2026 22:54

I can’t even get an appointment with them, the psychiatrists gave discharged me.

But I bet if I was a man and I bet if I was a different race (ie non white) then I would have been in a psych hospital before you know it.

But you have said previously that you have had numerous admissions and they didn’t help.

Blueorange32 · 06/04/2026 13:38

tvde · 05/04/2026 22:41

I don’t know who she is so I’ll look her up.

with Jess Taylor it’s a hard one isn’t it? Because it’s all about protected titles, confidentiality and monetising vulnerable people. But equally there’s clearly a demand for what she’s saying and it’s resonating with some people. If people want to spend their money and seek alternative opinions and she’s not lying about what she can offer, is that a her problem or a law problem?

i don’t agree with sharing abuse victims stories without their consent but this happens all the time. Did the little girl in the newspaper consent to her story being shared?

I do see what you’re saying and agree it’s complex. I agree she makes plenty of money from this and there is a target audience consuming her content. Personally, I would take my professional reputation over quick money any day, but can see why others might not.

This is the tattle thread (tattle.life/wiki/jessica-taylor) outlining Jessica Taylor’s lack of professional qualifications and questionable behaviour (going back years).

Ironically I only found the page because of Jessica Taylor herself repeatedly referencing tattle. Prior to reading it, I assumed she was a forensic psychologist.

TheHouse · 06/04/2026 11:54

@LifesabagofRevels

I think so yes. Your capacity to regulate emotions is much reduced because of trauma, therefore any hormonal fluctuations will hit you longer and harder. Perimeno is also notorious for bringing up deep seated feelings and rage that haven’t been dealt with during the course of a busy lifetime also.

If you can go into that transition more stable having processed any trauma it will be easier mentally. A lot of women don’t though because they’re busy.

MoreThanOnePostcardFromTheEdge · 06/04/2026 11:40

tvde · 06/04/2026 08:05

I think moncrieff would completely agree with you on that one.

I'll have to have a look 👍🏻

LifesabagofRevels · 06/04/2026 11:18

TheHouse · 06/04/2026 10:46

@LifesabagofRevels

Are you okay? Or are you just a nob?

Have you ever gave birth? I did it three times. Natural births, zero intervention. Amazing, humbling but yes the experience was still traumatic. Particularly for my life at the time.

You can experience different emotions simultaneously. Do you have the capacity to understand that?

You seem nice.

I’m fine. I’m asking if you think that PMDD is also caused by trauma.

Swamphag · 06/04/2026 10:55

HenDoNot · 05/04/2026 09:14

works of feminist psychologists such as Jess Taylor

She’s not a psychologist, she’s of the same ilk as ‘Dr’ Jack Monroe, she a grifter.

Agree with this and I say this as someone who has previously been an advocate of Jess. Go read her Tattle thread. She's a grifter and frankly dangerous.

After reading her Tattle thread it will also become apparent why she really, really wants Tattle closed. Spoiler: it's got nothing to do with bullying and a lot more to do with the fact that they have her number

TheHouse · 06/04/2026 10:46

@LifesabagofRevels

Are you okay? Or are you just a nob?

Have you ever gave birth? I did it three times. Natural births, zero intervention. Amazing, humbling but yes the experience was still traumatic. Particularly for my life at the time.

You can experience different emotions simultaneously. Do you have the capacity to understand that?

LifesabagofRevels · 06/04/2026 10:44

TheHouse · 05/04/2026 22:28

@LifesabagofRevels

Giving birth to a baby and becoming a mother is a form of small T trauma. Even if you’re not consciously accepting that.

Is the luteal phase of menstruation traumatic too? Every month.

tvde · 06/04/2026 08:05

MoreThanOnePostcardFromTheEdge · 06/04/2026 03:30

I think it's complicated.
It certainly was misogynistic at one stage
Freud and others did actually listen to women

I think more of a problem is that psychiatry rests on a positivist paradigm that assumes reality is objectifiable rather than a hermeneutic approach which might prioritise meaning and interpretation. You could argue that yes this is essentially patriarchal and misogynistic.

Whether psychiatrists themselves are a blind product of this is another question. Lots of them are trying to work on a difficult system.

I think moncrieff would completely agree with you on that one.

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MoreThanOnePostcardFromTheEdge · 06/04/2026 03:30

I think it's complicated.
It certainly was misogynistic at one stage
Freud and others did actually listen to women

I think more of a problem is that psychiatry rests on a positivist paradigm that assumes reality is objectifiable rather than a hermeneutic approach which might prioritise meaning and interpretation. You could argue that yes this is essentially patriarchal and misogynistic.

Whether psychiatrists themselves are a blind product of this is another question. Lots of them are trying to work on a difficult system.

Isittimeformynapyet · 06/04/2026 02:14

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 05/04/2026 09:10

I don't think this is correct. In medical terminology, -ectomy means removing something, as in appendectomy where it's the appendix that's removed. In a hysterectomy it's the womb that's removed. The Latin and medical word for womb is uterus, so we might have expected the word to be uterectomy, but the Ancient Greek word for womb is hystera, and for some reason that was used instead, giving us the word hysterectomy for surgically removing the hystera. Hysteria was indeed thought to be caused by having a wandering womb but hysterectomies have been carried out for a long time for many reasons, not just hysteria.

I knew someone would have pointed this out before me 👍🏻

As for why Greek, this is what I found:

Greek (Clinical/Pathological): Ancient Greek is primarily used to describe disease, pathologies, symptoms, and medical procedures (e.g., cardi-ology, gastritis, pathogen).

Latin (Anatomical): Latin is largely used for anatomical structures, locations, and names of organs (e.g., cor for heart, pulmo for lung).

Isittimeformynapyet · 06/04/2026 02:08

UniquePinkSwan · 05/04/2026 08:44

Ffs

Is that all you've got?

Isittimeformynapyet · 06/04/2026 02:06

EvelynBeatrice · 05/04/2026 08:49

Yes - men get better treatment in that they’re less likely to be sexually abused and live in fear of it on locked wards and facilities - if medics and a medical defence expert of my acquaintance are to be believed.

Mental health facilities would be single sex and all male medics constantly chaperoned by a female with failures being a criminal offence if the state - the NHS - truly cared about the most vulnerable women.

My mum was sexually abused by a psychiatrist in a treatment centre back in the 70s. She didn't even report it as she felt (no doubt rightly) that nobody would take her, a psychiatric patient's word over an "eminent" Doctor's.

I'm not sure much has changed today.

tvde · 06/04/2026 01:48

Isittimeformynapyet · 06/04/2026 01:44

What are ECTS?

Electroconvulsive treatment; they sedate you and send shocks into your brain.
i kind of likened it to chemo - it’s really not very pleasant.

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Latenightpostings · 06/04/2026 01:48

There are currently 11 threads on Tattle Life. It's a lot!

The most recent ones are \mostly to do with Jessica trying to get the site pulled down. But the earlier ones detail things like the whole Sally Ann story, other women whose stories she's published without permission, what was going on behind the scenes in her company, questions about the multiple crowdfunders, details of her lies and misrepresentions etc etc

There's a wiki page among the Tattle Life threads on her, where someone has gone through, summarised it all and added links. That's probably the best way in, if anyone is interested.

Isittimeformynapyet · 06/04/2026 01:44

tvde · 05/04/2026 06:49

Yes I agree. Mental health has always been treated in the most vile ways, from ‘demonic exorcism’, to insulin treatment, to ects.

It’s horrendous.

What are ECTS?

Isittimeformynapyet · 06/04/2026 01:42

DallazMajor · 05/04/2026 06:45

If you look back throughout time women have been punished for being women.

The word “Hysterectomy” literally means “to remove hysteria” because it was believed that women’s wombs somehow began to wander inside their bodies and cause mental impairment. I mean it was clearly hormonal issues causing the problems. There have been many battles to rename this procedure and remove the reference to hysteria. It’s just fucking insulting.

The prefix "hystero" simply means womb or uterus. Hysterectomy therefore means removal of that body part.

The words hysterical and hysteria obviously have the same linguistic root, so yes, there's mysogynistic reasons behind them.

(Sorry if someone's already said that.)

tvde · 06/04/2026 01:36

Latenightpostings · 06/04/2026 01:28

I expect it'll catch up with her one day and she'll have to answer to the police, yes.

But, she definitely does do this. I can think of several occasions when she's done this to different people and I expect there are more I don't know about as it's a tactic she uses time and again.

It's surprising what you can get away with, with a lot of front and some charm, however. And if you don't always use the same police force for your complaint. They're not that joined up.

Also, she has contracts with the police - or used to at least, she used to provide training for them - and she's full of self-confidence, so I expect she's relatively convincing when she's making the complaints.

She tried to use the police to intimidate a vulnerable woman called Sally Ann into silence, for example. In a nutshell, Jessica published Sally Ann's own story of CSA in one of her books without permission. When Sally Ann made this public, what Jessica should have done was to apologise, say it was an honest mistake and promise to remove the story from further editions.

Instead, Jessica went on the attack, aiming to trash Sally Ann's reputation. She told anyone who would listen that Sally Ann was obsessed with her, was being innfluenced by her support service who "had it in for Jessica" (funny the amount of people who supposedly have it in for her, she's always the hero-victim in her stories!), that her story wasn't in the book, that Sally Ann was a stalker. Then - utterly shamelessly, the story changed, she said actually the story was in the book, it was a misunderstanding, but still, Sally Ann was a stalker.

It was pure DARVO - trying to cast Sally Ann as a crazy nutter rather than admit her own shortcomings - the exact methods she attacks abusive men for. But this woman has zero morals.

Jessica called the police on Sally Ann multiple times, even though she knew Sally Ann was incredibly vulnerable.

It ended up in court. Throughout, Jessica misrepresented what was happening, claimed that Sally Ann had been found guilty of stalking, when she absolutely wasn't. The reality is, when push came to shove, Sally Ann had a tonne of evidence supporting her case and good character while Jessica couldn't produce any and the case was dropped. But it was one of those things where the process is the punishment.

A lot of the detail of this is on Tattle Life.

Thankfully I'm no longer anywhere near Jessica's life and so I don't know, it's possible she has been pulled up for her habit of wasting police time and using them to intimidate people. I certainly hope so.

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Thank you I’ve just been on tattle and all I can find are accusations of her using a suicide to target the website and discussions of her writing technique.

this sounds awful. She describes in her own book people using her own mental health against her, so hearing her do it to another vulnerable woman is very upsetting, especially using such dangerous and common offensive tropes (obsessive psycho vs professional). I’m glad sally ann was vindicated and sorry she didn’t get justice for the defamation.

i think from an academic point of view, what she’s done is make a phenomen accessible and easy to discuss, which we’ve managed to do here. It’s a shame she has such a controversial personal life as this again distracts from the victims who’s voices she is supposedly championing.

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Latenightpostings · 06/04/2026 01:28

I expect it'll catch up with her one day and she'll have to answer to the police, yes.

But, she definitely does do this. I can think of several occasions when she's done this to different people and I expect there are more I don't know about as it's a tactic she uses time and again.

It's surprising what you can get away with, with a lot of front and some charm, however. And if you don't always use the same police force for your complaint. They're not that joined up.

Also, she has contracts with the police - or used to at least, she used to provide training for them - and she's full of self-confidence, so I expect she's relatively convincing when she's making the complaints.

She tried to use the police to intimidate a vulnerable woman called Sally Ann into silence, for example. In a nutshell, Jessica published Sally Ann's own story of CSA in one of her books without permission. When Sally Ann made this public, what Jessica should have done was to apologise, say it was an honest mistake and promise to remove the story from further editions.

Instead, Jessica went on the attack, aiming to trash Sally Ann's reputation. She told anyone who would listen that Sally Ann was obsessed with her, was being innfluenced by her support service who "had it in for Jessica" (funny the amount of people who supposedly have it in for her, she's always the hero-victim in her stories!), that her story wasn't in the book, that Sally Ann was a stalker. Then - utterly shamelessly, the story changed, she said actually the story was in the book, it was a misunderstanding, but still, Sally Ann was a stalker.

It was pure DARVO - trying to cast Sally Ann as a crazy nutter rather than admit her own shortcomings - the exact methods she attacks abusive men for. But this woman has zero morals.

Jessica called the police on Sally Ann multiple times, even though she knew Sally Ann was incredibly vulnerable.

It ended up in court. Throughout, Jessica misrepresented what was happening, claimed that Sally Ann had been found guilty of stalking, when she absolutely wasn't. The reality is, when push came to shove, Sally Ann had a tonne of evidence supporting her case and good character while Jessica couldn't produce any and the case was dropped. But it was one of those things where the process is the punishment.

A lot of the detail of this is on Tattle Life.

Thankfully I'm no longer anywhere near Jessica's life and so I don't know, it's possible she has been pulled up for her habit of wasting police time and using them to intimidate people. I certainly hope so.

tvde · 06/04/2026 01:06

Latenightpostings · 06/04/2026 01:03

I'm not particularly keen on Tattle Life either, but as Jess aggressively goes after anyone who criticises her, it's one of the few places you can actually read what her critics are saying. Most of it isn't the usual Tattle Life posters - a lot of it is from people who know or knew her, finding a place to voice their concerns.

A typical Jessica tactic, for example, is calling the police and telling lies about her critics in an effort to intimidate them into silence.

Any claim she makes online should be taken with a massive pinch of salt, she lies constantly.

Would she not get done for wasting police time if she really was doing this? Or harassment and intimidation?

i have seen how agressively she protests about that website. That woman definitely does not want people talking about her and she doesn’t want people reading it. Why that is I don’t know. 🤷‍♀️ having a narcissistic ex myself, I can say I believe you unfortunately

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Latenightpostings · 06/04/2026 01:03

tvde · 06/04/2026 00:54

Oh good god I went on there once about the naked doula. Really got taken in by it. Confronted her and found her to be a lovely woman going through a really hard time. I don’t like that website but ahree that anyone who wants to be famous is probably a narcissist

I'm not particularly keen on Tattle Life either, but as Jess aggressively goes after anyone who criticises her, it's one of the few places you can actually read what her critics are saying. Most of it isn't the usual Tattle Life posters - a lot of it is from people who know or knew her, finding a place to voice their concerns.

A typical Jessica tactic, for example, is calling the police and telling lies about her critics in an effort to intimidate them into silence.

Any claim she makes online should be taken with a massive pinch of salt, she lies constantly.

tvde · 06/04/2026 00:54

Latenightpostings · 06/04/2026 00:52

She doesn't fight for them, she is a narcissist who exploits them for her own personal gain.

None of her ideas are original and certainly she's not a force for good.

I had the displeasure of knowing her fairly well in real life, I was taking in by her bullshit for a while. But trust me, it really is bullshit. That woman is a grifter, a bully and a compulsive liar. She doesn't have an ethical bone in her body.

I have a feeling Mumsnet doesn't allow links to this website, but if you google Tattle Life and her name, you'll find a long running set of threads there including testamony from several people who know her personally on what goes on behind the facade.

Oh good god I went on there once about the naked doula. Really got taken in by it. Confronted her and found her to be a lovely woman going through a really hard time. I don’t like that website but ahree that anyone who wants to be famous is probably a narcissist

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