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AIBU to think that women should think carefully about what they reveal at work?

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JumpingPumpkin · 03/04/2026 16:25

Following on from the question about the emphasis on menopause at work which can make it sound as though women of a certain age are just a liability, I recently saw a work blog in which a woman (employee) explained exactly how tired she is and how hard it is to focus at work because she has two young children. I am flabbergasted that women are already so comfortable in the workplace that they can announce that they regularly turn up unfocused and tired but still expect to be paid and treated the same as men.

I'm not cold hearted, I understand that at times work is easier or harder depending on what else is going on. Sometimes your career is affected if you can't do the long on-site visits, and sometimes you have to drop everything for your child due to illness, but essentially the message the boss needs to hear is that you're capable of doing the job well.

We don't get paid just for turning up. Wages aren't just an attendance award. We need to actually do what we're paid for.

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Batties · 03/04/2026 17:08

Just to add, you do realise that just because you read something it doesn’t make it true.

5128gap · 03/04/2026 17:06

Perhaps these women feel comfortable enough in the work place to admit to a temporary period of extreme tiredness because they are highly valued professionals who know their worth. There will be women in the workplace who on no sleep at all could out perform some of their male colleagues.
It isn't concealing tiredness that results in women being paid the same as men. It's producing outcomes that equal (or exceed) those of male colleagues, so employers consider them worth their salary.

JumpingPumpkin · 03/04/2026 17:06

For those commenting about men stating how tired they are due to children, how hungover they are, how distracted by their office affair etc. When I see a work blog written by a man about how much these things affect his focus I'll consider this a parallel scenario. Maybe in other companies men do write such blogs.

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Batties · 03/04/2026 17:05

You appear to live in a different world, with preconceived ideas of what women are like in the work place.

Nocameltoeleggingsplease · 03/04/2026 17:02

Be a lady they said. Your skirt is too short. Your shirt is too low. Your pants are too tight. Don’t show so much skin. Don’t show your thighs. Don’t show your breasts. Don’t show your midriff. Don’t show your cleavage. Don’t show your underwear. Don’t show your shoulders. Cover up. Leave something to the imagination. Dress modestly. Don’t be a temptress. Men can’t control themselves. Men have needs. You look frumpy. Loosen up. Show some skin. Look sexy. Look hot. Don’t be so provocative. You’re asking for it. Wear black. Wear heels. You’re too dressed up. You’re too dressed down. Don’t wear those sweatpants; you look like you’ve let yourself go.
Be a lady they said. Don’t be too fat. Don’t be too thin. Don’t be too large. Don’t be too small. Eat up. Slim down. Stop eating so much. Don’t eat too fast. Order a salad. Don’t eat carbs. Skip dessert. You need to lose weight. Fit into that dress. Go on a diet. Watch what you eat. Eat celery. Chew gum. Drink lots of water. You have to fit into those jeans. God, you look like a skeleton. Why don’t you just eat? You look emaciated. You look sick. Eat a burger. Men like women with some meat on their bones. Be small. Be light. Be little. Be petite. Be feminine. Be a size zero. Be a double zero. Be nothing. Be less than nothing.
Be a lady they said. Remove your body hair. Shave your legs. Shave your armpits. Shave your bikini line. Wax your face. Wax your arms. Wax your eyebrows. Get rid of your mustache. Bleach this. Bleach that. Lighten your skin. Tan your skin. Eradicate your scars. Cover your stretch marks. Tighten your abs. Plump your lips. Botox your wrinkles. Lift your face. Tuck your tummy. Thin your thighs. Tone your calves. Perk up your boobs. Look natural. Be yourself. Be genuine. Be confident. You’re trying too hard. You look overdone. Men don’t like girls who try too hard.
Be a lady they said. Wear makeup. Prime your face. Conceal your blemishes. Contour your nose. Highlight your cheekbones. Line your lids. Fill in your brows. Lengthen your lashes. Color your lips. Powder, blush, bronze, highlight. Your hair is too short. Your hair is too long. Your ends are split. Highlight your hair. Your roots are showing. Dye your hair. Not blue, that looks unnatural. You’re going grey. You look so old. Look young. Look youthful. Look ageless. Don’t get old. Women don’t get old. Old is ugly. Men don’t like ugly.
Be a lady they said. Save yourself. Be pure. Be virginal. Don’t talk about sex. Don’t flirt. Don’t be a skank. Don’t be a whore. Don’t sleep around. Don’t lose your dignity. Don’t have sex with too many men. Don’t give yourself away. Men don’t like sluts. Don’t be a prude. Don’t be so up tight. Have a little fun. Smile more. Pleasure men. Be experienced. Be sexual. Be innocent. Be dirty. Be virginal. Be sexy. Be the cool girl. Don’t be like the other girls.
Be a lady they said. Don’t talk too loud. Don’t talk too much. Don’t take up space. Don’t sit like that. Don’t stand like that. Don’t be intimidating. Why are you so miserable? Don’t be a bitch. Don’t be so bossy. Don’t be assertive. Don’t overact. Don’t be so emotional. Don’t cry. Don’t yell. Don’t swear. Be passive. Be obedient. Endure the pain. Be pleasing. Don’t complain. Let him down easy. Boost his ego. Make him fall for you. Men want what they can’t have. Don’t give yourself away. Make him work for it. Men love the chase. Fold his clothes. Cook his dinner. Keep him happy. That’s a woman’s job. You’ll make a good wife some day. Take his last name. You hyphenated your name? Crazy feminist. Give him children. You don’t want children? You will some day. You’ll change your mind.
Be a lady they said. Don’t get raped. Protect yourself. Don’t drink too much. Don’t walk alone. Don’t go out too late. Don’t dress like that. Don’t show too much. Don’t get drunk. Don’t leave your drink. Have a buddy. Walk where it is well lit. Stay in the safe neighborhoods. Tell someone where you’re going. Bring pepper spray. Buy a rape whistle. Hold your keys like a weapon. Take a self-defense course. Check your trunk. Lock your doors. Don’t go out alone. Don’t make eye contact. Don’t bat your eyelashes. Don’t look easy. Don’t attract attention. Don’t work late. Don’t crack dirty jokes. Don’t smile at strangers. Don’t go out at night. Don’t trust anyone. Don’t say yes. Don’t say no.
Just “be a lady” they said.

-Camille Rainville

Francestein · 03/04/2026 17:02

I don’t know… I work with someone who is very obviously getting her arse kicked by menopause. It is making her life hell. Not just frequent, repeated hot flushes. She is experiencing extreme anxiety, making questionable choices - spontaneous and unaccountable, she is having extreme allergy symptoms (as well as the flashes) and rather obvious facial hair.

She is not remotely open about her well-being but is so very chaotic that she is getting a reputation for being chaotic and unprofessional. She’s a lovely person and is very experienced at her job, but the way she is going I would be surprised if she managed to retain her position unless she finds something that works for her.

That’s all well and good, but sometimes NOTHING works! I don’t know her well enough to ask her about it, but I am genuinely concerned for her physical and mental well-being. Shouldn’t she be offered some kind of job security or assistance if nothing works for her?

milveycrohn · 03/04/2026 17:02

I agree with the OP.
I never kept family pics on my desk, or ever referred to being tired, etc.
But that was because I certainly did not want my job to discrimitate against me.
(yes, I know they are not supposed to, but it can happen in a covert way).

Anyahyacinth · 03/04/2026 17:02

JumpingPumpkin · 03/04/2026 17:00

Please explain what you mean. I'm never a fan of labels in place of actual reasoned arguments.

"I am flabbergasted that women are already so comfortable in the workplace that they can announce that..."

Pure misogyny

itsadlibitum · 03/04/2026 17:01

Shallotsaresmallonions · 03/04/2026 17:00

Of course they do! I've genuinely never noticed a difference between how much men and women complain at work. I have several male colleagues who are always going on about how knackered or hungover they are.

Yeah but they are tired because they are LADS. So that’s ok.

TheIceBear · 03/04/2026 17:01

Smoosha · 03/04/2026 16:42

I think it’s very different just saying you’ve had a bad night/feeling a bit tired to work colleagues one day than writing a blog about how knackered and unfocused you are constantly from having young children. It’s also different writing on Facebook you’ve got a hangover one day to entire work place training sessions saying how menopausal women get bad brain fog and have lots of other issues etc. It’s having a bad day vs quite a lot of bad years during which it implies you can hardly cope with working etc.

I don’t know anyone who goes on like this . Also I’m 39 and most of the women I work with are in the 45-60 age group. Menopause has never ever been discussed by any of us at work though I have no doubt some of my colleagues are going through it.

itsadlibitum · 03/04/2026 17:00

Nocameltoeleggingsplease · 03/04/2026 16:58

You forgot dress nicely. Not too nicely, obviously; you don’t want to look like you are showing off or that you actually want attention…. but you also you should make an effort, right? For everyone’s sake.

Oh yes, don’t look frumpy, you need to be pleasant to look at. But won’t be a whore either. Especially not at work. Unless you will actually put out, in which case it’s ok for a while. But if you aren’t you certainly can’t be offended about comments, because surely you were asking for it by showing your collar bone or ankles at work.

Anyahyacinth · 03/04/2026 17:00

Current UK policy is that everyone should be working no matter how vulnerable or unwell so ...lots more 'awareness' will be happening even if it's just by seeing the issues in colleagues without any speech

JumpingPumpkin · 03/04/2026 17:00

Bokeitup · 03/04/2026 16:33

I imagine that you have no idea just how much of a misogynist you are.

Please explain what you mean. I'm never a fan of labels in place of actual reasoned arguments.

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Shallotsaresmallonions · 03/04/2026 17:00

Fairyliz · 03/04/2026 16:56

Well yes of course they are, but they don’t generally announce it to all and sundry.

Of course they do! I've genuinely never noticed a difference between how much men and women complain at work. I have several male colleagues who are always going on about how knackered or hungover they are.

Tacohill · 03/04/2026 16:58

I work with a man who has baby twins.

He doesn’t stop going on about how tired he is.

I think it’s fine to say how tired and unfocused you are, as long as it’s not actually impacting your job.

If it is, especially if it’s an ongoing thing, then it needs to be sorted like reducing your hours.

Nocameltoeleggingsplease · 03/04/2026 16:58

itsadlibitum · 03/04/2026 16:54

Oh yes, of course. Don’t be a bitch. It’s your job to always be pleasant and not make the men feel uncomfortable.

You forgot dress nicely. Not too nicely, obviously; you don’t want to look like you are showing off or that you actually want attention…. but you also you should make an effort, right? For everyone’s sake.

Anyahyacinth · 03/04/2026 16:57

Cleanhairbrush · 03/04/2026 16:56

I hate “bring your whole self to work” crap it’s just an excuse for people to over share.

I love my work but I just want to get it on with it and go home. If I make friends organically I of course want to hear more about their lives. I don’t however want to feel bombarded by colleagues mental health struggles, menopause symptoms or sexual preferences. It’s such a weird forced intimacy that makes me uncomfortable.

How unashamedly ableist of you

Fairyliz · 03/04/2026 16:56

somanychristmaslights · 03/04/2026 16:29

So men are never tired and unfocused? Wow, must be amazing to be a man.

Well yes of course they are, but they don’t generally announce it to all and sundry.

Cleanhairbrush · 03/04/2026 16:56

AllJoyAndNoFun · 03/04/2026 16:31

I think this whole “bring your whole self to work” is aging badly in the current hiring environment. You basically want to come across as productive and low drama and that’s all.

I hate “bring your whole self to work” crap it’s just an excuse for people to over share.

I love my work but I just want to get it on with it and go home. If I make friends organically I of course want to hear more about their lives. I don’t however want to feel bombarded by colleagues mental health struggles, menopause symptoms or sexual preferences. It’s such a weird forced intimacy that makes me uncomfortable.

itsadlibitum · 03/04/2026 16:54

Anyahyacinth · 03/04/2026 16:52

You forgot the smiling and being nice...that's mandatory

Oh yes, of course. Don’t be a bitch. It’s your job to always be pleasant and not make the men feel uncomfortable.

Rhaidimiddim · 03/04/2026 16:54

somanychristmaslights · 03/04/2026 16:29

So men are never tired and unfocused? Wow, must be amazing to be a man.

Or have hangovers (that they mention at work).

Anyahyacinth · 03/04/2026 16:52

itsadlibitum · 03/04/2026 16:51

Yes Ladies, please be sure to act as though you have no parental responsibility at work, or you don’t deserve to be paid the same as the men.

and while you are at it, when school calls you (even though you told them to call your husband first as he works nearby and you don’t), please don’t make out like your work is more important than your kids, because that makes you a bad mother.

and while you are at it, please make sure you hair make and nails are always done, and you make sure you give your husband regular affection and attention, or you really can’t expect him not to leave you for someone younger.

have I forgotten anything?

You forgot the smiling and being nice...that's mandatory

itsadlibitum · 03/04/2026 16:51

Yes Ladies, please be sure to act as though you have no parental responsibility at work, or you don’t deserve to be paid the same as the men.

and while you are at it, when school calls you (even though you told them to call your husband first as he works nearby and you don’t), please don’t make out like your work is more important than your kids, because that makes you a bad mother.

and while you are at it, please make sure you hair make and nails are always done, and you make sure you give your husband regular affection and attention, or you really can’t expect him not to leave you for someone younger.

have I forgotten anything?

Smoosha · 03/04/2026 16:51

something2say · 03/04/2026 16:45

Yes, let's all remember that the main thing in life is for businesses to succeed, and fuck humanity.

Would you take on a kitchen fitter to fit your new kitchen who told you was so tired he hadn’t slept in days because of his young kids and he barely knew what he was doing and quite honestly he was barely making it through the day? Or would you sympathise but decide you did actually need someone who wasn’t about to make mistakes on the job?

Anyahyacinth · 03/04/2026 16:48

Smoosha · 03/04/2026 16:42

I think it’s very different just saying you’ve had a bad night/feeling a bit tired to work colleagues one day than writing a blog about how knackered and unfocused you are constantly from having young children. It’s also different writing on Facebook you’ve got a hangover one day to entire work place training sessions saying how menopausal women get bad brain fog and have lots of other issues etc. It’s having a bad day vs quite a lot of bad years during which it implies you can hardly cope with working etc.

So we don't need future generations that women provide? The expertise that they have gathered over years of working. We jettison women or accommodate them? What bizarre thinking; it's an awareness raising campaign. We've had them about male mental health. Neurodivergence and more.
It's wonderful...workers are human.
Are men going to take over all the work women do? Of course not