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AIBU to be fed up with walkers trespassing on our land?

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Pricelessadvice · 03/04/2026 10:13

We have a family farm that, unfortunately, has a footpath that runs through it.
The footpath turns and goes into some woods and off our property but many people ignore the turn and just carry on around our land. This is mostly dog walkers. They then let their dog crap on our fields and just leave it. We take a crop off the land- some years a hay crop, some years beans, others wheat- but people just don’t seem to care.
I am always polite when I see someone trespassing. I ask them if they know they have left the footpath and I point them back in the direction of it. 9 people out of 10 get really arsey about it. I get all the excuses in the book- “it’s just fields/I always walk here/I can do what I want/it’s just grass/other people do it”
Ive had off lead dogs chasing my liveries horses (who have permission to ride the headlands), sheep being worried, the list goes on.

There are plenty of signs telling people where the footpath is and where it isn’t, but they get ignored.

When I try to explain to people that they wouldn’t like it if I walked my dogs in their garden every day and let them poo everywhere, they just argue that it’s not the same coz “these are fields”
SIGH
The Covid year was a bloody nightmare with people wandering everywhere.
When did people get so entitled? AIBU to think that people just think they can do whatever the hell they want nowadays?

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BinseyPoplars · 05/04/2026 21:02

SpaceRaccoon · 05/04/2026 18:06

Unfortunately not even the poor bloody alpacas are spared human stupidity and entitlement:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn4v1wp73d0o

Oh how awful. Bloody dog owners ONCE AGAIN

krustykittens · 05/04/2026 20:16

HelenaWilson · 05/04/2026 18:31

What the government needs to do is to protect and extend the access network but that would cost them money.

'The government' - in the form of Natural England - is doing this. There is now a path which extends all the way round the coast of England - 2,689 miles of it. Plus all the existing paths such as the Thames Path, the North Downs Way, the South Downs Way, the Pennine Way, the Hadrian's Wall Path, etc etc.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0dxexdd8xo

That is terrific but there are lots of small access paths that have become overgrown and forgotten and it takes time and resources to record them and maintain them but they are important too. I also think it is shocking that landowners can block access in England and if people want to get their rights back and stay within the law, they are faced with a long and costly civil case. Far too much of that seems to go on. Personally, I think councils should have the power to free up access that has been illegally blocked and bill the landowner for the work and a hefty fine. If people do not want the public walking on their land, don't buy a property with a ROW!

CruCru · 05/04/2026 19:11

SpaceRaccoon · 05/04/2026 18:06

Unfortunately not even the poor bloody alpacas are spared human stupidity and entitlement:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn4v1wp73d0o

Damn. That is just so unpleasant.

HelenaWilson · 05/04/2026 18:31

What the government needs to do is to protect and extend the access network but that would cost them money.

'The government' - in the form of Natural England - is doing this. There is now a path which extends all the way round the coast of England - 2,689 miles of it. Plus all the existing paths such as the Thames Path, the North Downs Way, the South Downs Way, the Pennine Way, the Hadrian's Wall Path, etc etc.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0dxexdd8xo

King Charles III stands in front of cliffs as he walks the King Charles III England Coast Path at Seven Sisters National Nature Reserve.

King opens world's longest coastal path around England

The King Charles coastal path will allow walkers right of access to the entire coast for the first time.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0dxexdd8xo

CatrionaBalfour · 05/04/2026 18:28

😢

SpaceRaccoon · 05/04/2026 18:06

CruCru · 05/04/2026 16:52

I’ve just been reading about alpacas. Apparently they make great guard animals and will chase dogs who bother sheep. Plus they are nice beasts.

Unfortunately not even the poor bloody alpacas are spared human stupidity and entitlement:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn4v1wp73d0o

A brown alpaca in a green field.

Four alpacas dead after Wisbech St Mary Rottweiler attack

Two other alpacas are treated by vets for facial injuries as two dogs are seized, police say.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn4v1wp73d0o

krustykittens · 05/04/2026 17:45

CruCru · 05/04/2026 16:52

I’ve just been reading about alpacas. Apparently they make great guard animals and will chase dogs who bother sheep. Plus they are nice beasts.

I want a pack of hyenas but I have been told this is not legal. sulks

krustykittens · 05/04/2026 17:37

@Bloodyboiling I was thinking of the problems islanders face thanks to right to roam when I saw a PP claim it works fine in Scotland but I couldn't find anything online to back up what friends have told me. A crofter I got speaking to once at the Royal Highland told me not only were his animals worried and killed, shit and litter left all over his land, he once found wild campers hacking down his fencing to use the posts for a fire and a family who decided that camping in his barn was wild camping and their right under right to roam!

Tbh, people seem to bleat "right to roam!" whenever challenged, like they are warding off vampires with a crucifix. There are lots of exemptions to the legislation they don't seem to be aware of, the general public make a lot of assumptions. Try walking on MOD land or accessing spaces you are charged entry for. Also, grass is a crop, people! Fields where hay is being grown are not for walking in! There is also a section 6 to the legislation that says if someone develops their land for their own recreational use and public access interferes with that, they have a right to stop access. And no one knows the countryside code or thinks they are exempt.

Basically, nowhere in the UK do rights of access trump a landowners right to use or enjoy their property for appropriate use. Right to roam only works if it has no or positive effect for walkers AND landowners. It's a social contract as much as a legal one and in recent years, it is breaking down. All the examples I listed of what has personally happened to my property and animals I know are only the tip of the iceberg. No one can watch their animals or land 24/7. Often, people only know that someone has caused a problem when they come across sick, injured or dead animals, littering or damage. The offender is long gone, so they act with impunity while we mend the damage and pay the bills. As I said previously, the only way I can keep my ponies safe in the summer is to bring them in off their field during the day, behaviour has become so bad since Covid, so right to roam actually stops me from using my land for its intended purpose. I used to think education was the answer, but I have found people on this site to be shockingly entitled and belligerent when it comes to being told not to feed or handle other people's animals, even when we explain why, so that won't solve the problem either. If some numpty who has no idea how to handle ponies gets hurt or a child is seriously injured because their idiot parent has climbed a locked gate from the path I have fenced off for their access to place them on a ponies back without my permission, I could be sued and I can't afford that. Feeding animals by hand, even if it is just grass you have pulled up in their field, changes behaviour and can put a handler and other animals at risk. I have talked to local farmers who have had so much trouble with dog walkers that now all sheep come into lambing sheds for months on end, which isn't the healthiest way for them to live and costs more in antibiotics etc, but they feel like it is the better option than dog attacks and children chasing and picking up lambs while their doting parents film them so the can make memories.

No system is perfect and right to roam is only tolerable for us because we don't have the sheer volume of people that access the countryside in England, so fewer arseholes. And I have to stress, most of the people I meet are lovely and it is great to share with them, but the damage and distress caused by the minority is awful. There is no way I would vote for right to roam if I lived in England, life would be hell. What the government needs to do is to protect and extend the access network but that would cost them money. Making access a free for all puts the cost on landowners.

CoffeeCantata · 05/04/2026 17:11

Scaryscarytimes · Yesterday 17:16
Vast swathes of countryside being in the private ownership of a small number of extremely rich families for centuries is what leads to revolution, or in this case to the Right to Roam. In Scotland there are still very strong feelings about the clearances.
It isn't right, or sustainable, for the huge majority of the population to be forced to live in tiny spaces in the cities, with no right to access the countryside, because a few mega rich people have bought the countryside up.
How would you feel in England if there were no public footpaths? No national parks? Nowhere to go to see grass and trees, other than your local town park? Nowhere to exercise other than your local gym? Well, those public footpaths and national parks didn't come about by accident. The government created them. Access to the countryside is a public good, and sometimes a public good takes precedence over the right of a billionaire to boot people off his land because it's his.

But there are footpaths and there IS access to the countryside.

What are you on about?

In other countries - not so much, you'll find.

What OP is talking about is using these PROWs responsibly. They're not municipal parks - they're often someone's livelihood with livestock or crops which need to be treated with respect.

The people who fought for our rights of way knew this - they were well-informed. So many people now are ignorant about the countryside and have no idea how to behave there.

CoffeeCantata · 05/04/2026 17:06

DdraigGoch · Today 09:24
SpaceRaccoon · 03/04/2026 15:05
A vanlifer with a youtube channel was doing the NC500 and gleefully parked his van right in a farmer's field, accessed through a gate he opened, shouting about "right to roam". Twat.
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Solution to idiots like that is to close the gate and stick a padlock on it. It's a long walk to somewhere he can buy some bolt croppers...

Totally!

My dad was a farmer, and there was a bridle-way running through his farm. Although it was clearly stated at both ends that motor traffic was prohibited, you'd always get the stupid off-roaders who'd try to drive through anyway, churning things up and breaking drains as they did so.

Some of them made it, but it was very muddy and wet in parts and the number of times there'd be a knock at the door (often late at night) with some idiot asking to be towed out....ugh. It's a memory of my childhood. My dad was such a nice man that he always helped these stupid people. I'd have told them to call the AA.

CruCru · 05/04/2026 16:52

I’ve just been reading about alpacas. Apparently they make great guard animals and will chase dogs who bother sheep. Plus they are nice beasts.

Pricelessadvice · 05/04/2026 16:51

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 05/04/2026 15:26

Sell the land witht the footpath on. Problem solved.

Not quite, the paths run through both sides of our property and through several fields, plus past our house and garden. We would lose a massive part of our workable, income generating land.

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GrannyGoggles · 05/04/2026 16:50

@TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum whst a v good idea. I so wish I’d come up with that. Will action it tomorrow.

or not…,

HelenaWilson · 05/04/2026 15:50

Problem solved.

No, problem transferred to the next owner. (Assuming it was at all possible or practical to do this.)

CruCru · 05/04/2026 15:44

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 05/04/2026 15:26

Sell the land witht the footpath on. Problem solved.

I expect the land with the footpath on is a chunk of the working farm.

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 05/04/2026 15:26

Sell the land witht the footpath on. Problem solved.

HelenaWilson · 05/04/2026 15:19

Speaking of wild campers, as somebody was:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg40x60zvd0o

The mountain rescue people sound thoroughly pissed off. It's not as if there wasn't plenty of warning about staying off the higher ground.

'Suitable advice' should mean 'a proper bollocking' but I doubt if it did. Someone would probably complain if they even gave the idiots a sideways look.

Priest's Hole at Dove Crag in the Lake District. It is a mossy, black rock face that has broken, grassy rocky ground leading up to it.

Teen wild campers rescued from crag in 'worst' of Storm Dave

Mountain rescue say the rescue in Storm Dave put "everyone's lives in danger unnecessarily".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg40x60zvd0o

CatrionaBalfour · 05/04/2026 12:19

In the Peak District there are wonderful walks around Monsal Dale. At the entrance to one of the footpaths that goes past a farm is a tree. Regularly hung on this tree are bags of dog excrement.
Foul in every sense of the word.

GrannyGoggles · 05/04/2026 11:41

@SuzyFandango We have paid for a bin, and its instillation, at a cost of several hundred pounds. The PCC pay the council to empty it, at a cost of several hundred pounds p.a. The council will not be roaming across fields to empty bins, they have to be in quite specific places.
It quite clearly states dog poo only. Regularly get drinks cans in it. And within weeks of installation it had its lid ripped off.
We still get full poo bags left on the road side, chucked into hedge bottoms, and pet peeve, dangling from trees. I pick them up and bin them.
We try to be welcoming, but please, people - take your dog shit home, along with your cans, sweet wrappers, spliff ends and used condoms

CatrionaBalfour · 05/04/2026 09:53

SatsumaDog · 05/04/2026 09:47

Quite!

To all dog owners. If it comes out of your dog’s arse it belongs to you. You pick it up, bag it and carry the bloody thing home. It doesn’t get left in the middle of the path, hanging on a tree or on a wall with the intention of ‘picking it up on the way home’. It also doesn’t get flicked into the long grass to fester along with all the other dog shit. Your dog is not wildlife, it’s a domestic pet that you chose to buy. Your dog, your shit!

This x 💯. Many dog owners just don't understand.

SatsumaDog · 05/04/2026 09:47

todayImstruggling · 04/04/2026 21:19

Not a flipping chance no! People can take their own 💩home. Who is going to pay for these bins? And empty them? Oh and pay for the waste to be disposed of - because it’s not domestic waste it won’t be taken by the council!

Honestly the entitlement of some people!

Quite!

To all dog owners. If it comes out of your dog’s arse it belongs to you. You pick it up, bag it and carry the bloody thing home. It doesn’t get left in the middle of the path, hanging on a tree or on a wall with the intention of ‘picking it up on the way home’. It also doesn’t get flicked into the long grass to fester along with all the other dog shit. Your dog is not wildlife, it’s a domestic pet that you chose to buy. Your dog, your shit!

SatsumaDog · 05/04/2026 09:39

YANBU. I’m not a landowner, but I have seen this entitled behaviour on numerous occasions. Usually dog walkers allowing their animals off lead to worry livestock. It’s a complete lack of respect and awareness that they are trampling over someone’s livelihood and private property. I don’t know what the answer is other than fences and signs (which will no doubt be ignored) and perhaps a shotgun if livestock are at risk. People are entitled assholes.

DdraigGoch · 05/04/2026 09:24

SpaceRaccoon · 03/04/2026 15:05

A vanlifer with a youtube channel was doing the NC500 and gleefully parked his van right in a farmer's field, accessed through a gate he opened, shouting about "right to roam". Twat.

Solution to idiots like that is to close the gate and stick a padlock on it. It's a long walk to somewhere he can buy some bolt croppers...

Greyhound98 · 05/04/2026 07:39

I agree 100%.
These dog walkers will get arsey with you when you direct them back to the footpath, they will pull down signs not just ignore them, they will remove coping stones from dry stone wall to place on the floor to avoid getting their white trainers muddy.
They will cut stock fencing to allow for ease of trespass.

They will allow their dogs to approach livestock (he’s only saying hello!) They will allow dogs to pee up water troughs or over your animals hay you have put out for them and bring ball launchers to meet up with their multiple dogs friends while they use your animals grazing like a dog playground/toilet.

I especially despise the ones who pick up their dogs crap and stuff the bag in the dry stone wall crevices- just WHY?!
They will feed the horses all sorts of crap and then ARGUE with you why they should be allowed to do this.

I swear, there should be a massive pile of bodies buried in the muck heap, I absolutely have no tolerance left for these stupid, entitled dickheads.

So my only suggestion of a solution is to fence off the footpath, which means you will waste a load of land and make it harder for you to use it!

JustTryingToBeMe · 05/04/2026 06:01

Scaryscarytimes · 04/04/2026 16:27

  1. If enough people are unhappy about lack of access to the countryside then England may end up seeing the right to roam introduced. It's being campaigned for. People in Scotland can now wander across vast areas of land that they had no right to access 25 years ago. Not just on foot - the right to roam also includes bikes, horse-riding and wild camping. See this campaigning group, for instance: ABOUT | RIGHT TO ROAM
  2. We know that it's unhealthy for children, individuals and for society as a whole for people not to go out into and enjoy the countryside. Good, easy, pleasurable access to the countryside is important. Are there sufficient footpaths for instance? Close enough to towns, which in some cases will be newly-built towns? This stuff matters.
  3. The current law in England is on OP's side. But she's still not happy. How much does that law really help her? Has she tried to enforce her rights? Would enforcing her rights be practicable and effective? If not, what practical suggestions does she have for improving her situation or, more broadly, for revising the current system?
  4. We know that OP works very hard for a living and I'm sure she doesn't have much spare time. But maybe one idea would be for a group of landowners to offer to go into local schools to run sessions on the importance of farming, how to access and learn from the countryside while treating it with respect, etc? I'm sure that OP can come up with other ideas.

For the sake of the wildlife, farm animals and farming incomes I for one pray that it doesn't happen. They are having to amend Scottish laws to protect areas from ignorant people causing damage and leaving litter (eg Loch Lomond shores) so I simply cannot see it working in England, a far more deny
populated country.
We have miles and miles of unused footpaths. Walkers should use those and stop destroying people’s livelihoods.
Too many people have chips on their shoulders and want to do and be what they want with no thought for others; Covid has just exacerbated the arrogance.