AIBU to think school street restrictions and PCNs will cause more chaos?

A traffic warden randomly twice at week for a prolonged period at these times would likely solve the problem without impacting residents. Or a camera monitoring bad parking and ticketing (do these exist?).

But you still haven't explained how you think an emergency vehicle, like a fire engine or ambulance, could reasonably access those houses already impacted.

Yeah, OK, maybe its rubbish for delivery drivers or nurses, and maybe you can, as an affected resident, raise that query via the very easy to fine email address on the faqs. But the inconvenience to any of those people is far outweighed by the absolute necessity for emergency vehicle access. As it stands, those vital minutes can mean the difference between life and death.

It's two short very windows of time throughout 39 weeks of the year or something. Things will adapt around it eventually.

Unless more upstream restrictions start being allowed to come into force (which they probably never will, because so many people would rail against restrictions on ownership and/or general use of private vehicles), this is the kind of thing that people will need to adapt to.

I actually know of one road where delivery drivers refuse to deliver at all. Not just one company but every single company because of where the road is situated.
The roads where it is hard to park I have seen drivers pull in the middle of the road jump out and drop the parcel off and jump back in that’s very different to having to find somewhere to park then walk up a long road and back again. They don’t have the time for it. As I said previously the roads I am talking about where this is in place are very long roads that could easily take 10 minutes or more depending on where the house is in the road to walk and then back again. Driver don’t want to do it.

Someone above knows the road. It’ll take about a minute to walk.

Lots of people live on streets with no driveways and on street parking, meaning it can be hard to park close by. Do you think delivery drivers refuse to walk there too?

Are you really sure it isn’t safer outside the school at drop off and pick up? On what basis do you think having fewer cars driving about is no better

No it won’t. It will help residents leave their houses and return during previously busy periods.

Delivery drivers definitely don’t walk it believe me, relatives live in an area where there are these restrictions and all they do is take the delivery item back with them.
Can understand why they don’t walk it as some of these roads are very long with hundreds of houses they don’t have time to walk 10 minutes or more up the road and then 10 minutes back to their vechicle.

So many classic MNers on here that don't bother reading the OP but take umbrage anyway.

Obviously measures to keep children safe are great, as OP specifically said, but there are ways to do it without impacting the local residents so much.

This is absolutely crazy, it will affect disabled or older people the most who rely on deliveries and need district nurses/GP visits. And for those saying to schedule deliveries outside of these times i really would love to know where you're ordering from that will allow you to choose specific time slots. Trades will also be impossible to find or will charge double the price because they can't do a full days work.

OP do you live here? If so you have my sympathy, I'd recommend getting in touch with your local councillors to see if they can support an appeal.

Relatives of mine live in an area where there is restrictions like this for a few schools around them. It’s been a problem for them and many neighbours. Deliveries can’t always been timed exactly and a few drivers have refused to deliver. Relatives/friends calling can’t just pop in.
A couple of residents down one of these roads have also put on the local pages that they have their houses up for sale and people are put off by the restrictions and having to pay for permits.
Roads that are close to the school but just outside the restricted roads are now having the same problem with extra cars parked/traffic so all it’s done is push the problem out further.

I do agree that some parents/carers park and drive terribly around schools but this still hasn’t made the area any safer all it’s done is line the councils pockets with the pcns that have been issued and the permits that now have to be paid for by residents. If the councils really cared about children’s safety then they would find another solution.

Only if they drive through the cameras. Large items and supermarkets can be scheduled and Amazon can walk.

I live in a school street and it’s fine, people just get on with it.
They are needed because people park and drive like dickheads.

Whilst living between 2 schools has its drawbacks twice a day for around 2 hours. Having a school street isn’t going to affect saleability any more than currently

what I do love is the spring months and hearing the children playing outside and it’s a quiet area apart from 2 hours per day, so ideal location to live

As someone who lives on a pedestrian street where the delivery people have no choice but to get out and walk I can assure you that they do. We’ve also had white goods delivered that they brought from further away on a trolley. It’s more a mild inconvenience than a disaster.

having a road that doesn’t have lots of visiting traffic and antisocial parking practises will be less valuable than one where every morning and afternoon is chaos with angry hurried parents trying to sling their kids from the car? yeah i can see that.

I used to live on a school street and our sons primary school was on a school street, it was so so much better when it became a school street. With things like building work you just apply for a special permit, delivery drivers were always happy to park out the zone ans just walk the property, including things like washing machines etc as they have trolleys. You can just add the note to orders saying its a school street and the timings.

We live in a school streets area and it’s actually fine. It’s no cars driving into the area 8:30-9am and then 2:45-3:15pm. Tradesmen usually arrive before 8:30 and are parked. Deliveries still arrive. We have no problem with any of the couriers.

The problem I think it does create is parking on the other side of the school street area. Basically we are in the school street area, two schools are to south boundary of it and then there is a pedestrianised road that ends the zone. Parking on the other side of the pedestrianised road is chaos at pick up times. It makes me glad to live in the school street but must be a nightmare for the people on the other side.

The schools are quite unique in having very large catchments due to private schools in the area. I have actually never walked to the other side of the catchment as it would take an adult over 40 minutes (and it’s not very interesting!)

EDIT: to add, there is a hospital to the immediate east of the school zone. When my midwife was home visiting she parked there when she arrived during school street time.

That could seriously damage house prices…

I live in one, it’s not a problem at all.
Firstly, delivery drivers know, so work around those times. Even if they don’t- most deliveries aren’t large items like a washing machine, so they just park outside the zone and carry the item in.
Not one of my neighbours has complained about it - the only people that complain are the parents that used to block our driveways!
It has also really helped those parents that do need to park close to school. One of my DCs friends parent had MS and she can now park in the disabled spaces outside of school. Previously drivers would idle in these spaces, and only move on the rare occasions a parking wardens would be around.

Honestly it’s no big deal. You can put parking restrictions on most deliveries and Amazon/dhl/yodel etc quickly learn when they are.

I can’t park outside my house from 7-9:30am and 4-6:30pm as I’m on a bus route. You get used to it.

school might be on the way to work, and some people might have to drive but school streets and LTNS do reduce habitual and mindless driving. there has been a distinct reduction in people in pyjamas driving to school on the road i live that’s for sure.

air quality and road safety have tangible impact on kids, and as a society we need to do as much as we can to reduce the negative impacts of car use on children and society as a whole.

kids need to do exercise. and a mile of running or walking each morning will build strength and the forming of healthy habits. it is also a good way for parents to achieve their steps.

This is often said but if a camera is making money it isn’t working as a deterrent

totally agree with this

gates, bollards on pavement are imo much more of a deterrent and habit changer. Bollards in cast iron work, as people can see them identify it will cause damage and they won’t park fully on the road for fear of damage from another driver if they inconvenience them

This is often said but if a camera is making money it isn’t working as a deterrent.

There isn’t really much other choice - signs aren’t effective as in my experience there are always some motorists who ignore zigzags outside schools / no entry signs etc. It would also be too expensive / impractical to (wo)man the school street to enforce restrictions.

The big problem with saying it’s a money making scheme etc. is that it prevents motorists reflecting that a school street etc. is a natural consequence of their own behaviour in driving dangerously / anti socially. Where I live, my council are very reluctant to introduce road safety schemes and only do when the driving is really bad. This is absolutely not recognised outside of road safety groups, and you can see a cycle where some drivers are still complaining bitterly about a previous scheme yet there is poor driving elsewhere that heading towards reaching such a state that the council will a some point being forced to restrict access.

Parents need to get to work. While a few may drive half a mile then home, for many its just a stop off.