AIBU to think school street restrictions and PCNs will cause more chaos?

For children with disabilities it will make there life easier, as there parents will be permitted to drive through and due to others being prevented / this will leave easy ample parking

We have plenty of school zones set up near me. Deliveries are more tricky but if we know visitors or tradespeople are coming, we can give them a day permit on the app. Works well.

This is dreadful if it means - as you say - that for example my elderly relative who has four care visits a day would potentially have their service disrupted and the carers fined. Is that really the case? If so, that's outrageous and should be challenged.

I hope your council has taken proper advice, OP or they could end up like Lambeth.

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My sib lives in a development with heavily restricted access (due to specifics of location not schools). Deliveries have to be booked in advance and only allowed on certain days/times. Once you know the rules, it is pretty simple and everyone copes.
Amazon etc just have a wheelie bin affair and trundle up with all the parcels for everyone, parking just outside the zone.

It makes it much easier for those with disabilities as their parents/carers can get exemptions. My friend, who has MS often struggled to get parked in the disabled spaces by our school prior to our zone coming into effect. If she did challenge people she would get loads of excuses- I’m only stopping for a minute, I’ve got a disability as well (without a badge!) and sometimes people would move - but who wants to be challenging that constantly, arguing why your need is greater. It’s not an issue anymore.

I live on a narrow street where there are more cars than off-street spaces, so cars parked all along one side. Delivery drivers just block the street while they make their deliveries.

I've never heard anyone moaning about it, tbh. There was a bit of to-ing and fro-ing the other week when an ambulance was blocking the road for ages, but everyone managed to turn in the road, go round the block and drive in from the other end.

I lived on a school street, delivery drivers did just park elsewhere and drive, this is the norm in so many places and very much part of reality.

How will it affect staff? Where about children/ parents who are disabled ?

So no different to now, as ithe chaos is preventing all this now. At least with school streets those children walking, scootering will be able to do so safely

Are there any businesses within the designated area? I wonder how the school will get deliveries?

School trips and school dinner deliveries will be a pain.

This is the problem, if drivers didn’t behave like this, schools streets wouldn’t be needed if 30 odd drivers at each school could behave.

or councils put steel bollards in as prevention measures, but still those drivers would behave badly

so this is where we are

what this means in reality is hundreds of houses aren’t allowed any deliveries, no taxis and no none essential building workers in the area every school workday between 8am and 9.30 and 2.30 and 3.45

That sounds insane, OP. It should surely be possible for builders to get an exemption. My town has strict parking restrictions everywhere but the outskirts, but builders can get permits fairly cheaply (used to be 50p per day, so probably £1 now) if they can show that they're working locally.

And not being able to get a taxi is just mad. Supposing you need one for a hospital appointment or to catch a flight?

Accept my apologies for my previous comment, now I see you must just be joking.

Hopefully, no sooner than you’re expecting your reward for most helpful comment on a thread.

The concept isn't bad, but there should be more flexibility around this for essential workers. I got 2 fines in quick succession as a health care professional visiting a family in one of these zones, having visited them many times with no issue, the council then put in a poorly signposted school street restriction and I got 2 x £80 fines. There is no parking near the zone, the child can only be seen at certain times of day due to their medical needs. So now I need to park approx 20 mins walk away, 2 x 20 min walks - fabulous use of nhs time!

It is mainly selfish parents causing the problem as I am sure you know.

We are one of those families who could be impacted by the heavy handedness of the rules if they were implemented near us, my little one is on palliative care and there are times when his nurse needs to visit and needs to visit now rather than when the rules said.

Both the school I work at and the one my child attends are "school streets" areas. I understand the problem, but I don't think this really solves it.

The recommended parking area (a park and ride car park) for parents at my sons school is about a 7 minute walk from the school hates. It is a good deterrent for those only living a ten minute walk away anyway, and it was published as being the answer to everything. In reality those parents who really do need to drive are struggling. Children whose parents do multiple drop offs are now always late as the siblings can't be left earlier to compensate for it, and/or parents are late getting to work having to walk back to the car and then get out of the carpark back onto the road (worlds slowest traffic lights to exit). Breakfast club doesn't have the capacity for the additional children that now need it!

There is nothing like that near the school I work at though so that's even worse. It just means all the dangerous and inconsiderate parking is a couple of streets over. It is safer immediately outside of the school, but dangerous for the many children that need to cross that round on their way home.

Introducing school streets really depends on driver behaviour though. Local authorities have been tolerant re a lot of bad behaviour from drivers around schools and it’s grim: including parking on zigzags, speeding, idling engines, using mobile phones, ignoring no entry road signs & failing to stop at pedestrian crossings.

The reason why I take such an interest in road safety is the quite appalling behaviour my DC & I had to put up with in the streets close to our schools (included all of the above). It makes life miserable for people walking, it prevents cycling and it delays the age at which children can walk to school independently. It also causes collisions - and there have been some with child victims near my local schools.

It’s really not that easy to put up cameras - local authorities are unlikely to do this unless there is a considerable safety issue. Even if local authorities do introduce cameras there is a really simple way for drivers to avoid fines - they just have to obey the Highway Code like everyone else.

Unfortunately as drivers we have to accept that if other drivers decide that the rules don’t apply to them, then our access will be restricted. We’re really not the victims here - those are the children who have to put up with some quite appalling behaviour by adult drivers.

One of the issues that WFH has introduced is increased traffic, e.g. deliveries, around schools during busy times.

That’s just not sustainable for the long term though - I doubt local authorities have the funding for this.