For thinking it is odd for trans men to give birth

Though I will say that I just ask for what I want rather than the kind of thing you have put here. That would be like me banging on about White supermacy and things like that rather than just asking for a Black HCP.

My experience of declining care from white HCPs says otherwise. You do get to say that and your request is honoured. You might have to wait longer for an appointment. This is with the NHS. Private hospitals have different rules.

So you're asking me to guess how many of the say, 0.05% of HCPs who are TW performing mammogram and smear tests would be okay with a woman declining their care due to their trans identity?

I think 3/5 of the 0.05% of TW HCPs performing these procedures would handle it professionally.

So what? The point is that if you are placed in the position of a TW providing that, you don’t just get to say ‘oh sorry, I need to see an actual woman (or even a man who knows what a woman is’). They think being born with a penis can still mean you are female. I would prefer not to have someone that deluded messing with my bits as I don’t believe they have the competence.

Men use the trans issue for many things and it turns out the world humours them.

It seems pretty clear to me.

But the dismissal of the wants or needs of women is all too common sadly. The priority is given to these delusional men and women who think ‘gender’ is what matters.

Of course, amongst all the ‘it hardly ever happens’ arguments are the rapists who suddenly identify as women to go to a female prison.

Generally no man pretending to be a woman is doing so because he actually likes and respects women.

Really, how sad for you, but lovely piece of squirrel..
The important part actually is: How many trans identified males will accept that there will be woman who don’t want them to provide a level of intimate care/treatment?
Is that clear enough @GlovedhandsCecilia ?

The chances of it being done by a male, specifically a TW, is tiny because there aren't very many in that role. So it's a theoretical fear that cannot be currently realised simply because there arent enough qualified HCPs who are TW and who perform STs/MMgs for it to be a relevant risk to all women. And the risk i am talking about is JUST the HCP being a TW, not them being a TW and predatory. That's an even smaller risk.

Worse!

The person who said rape victims should "reframe their trauma" so men could sit in on therapy sessions where women were sometimes relating what happened to them, was the CEO of Rape Crisis Centre - a trans identified male (unsurprisingly enough) named Mirdul Wadhwa.

I don't know what you mean. I think you've missed some punctuation.

So? It’s the fact they claim something will be done by a woman when they actually mean ‘a woman or some dude who pretends to be a woman and thus either has a fetish or knows jack all about the difference between men and women’.

The important part actually is…
Number of trans identified males who place their patients request and respect this over their self AGP need to be validated?
as most threads that I read on this is grand sum of zero. They all place their needs and wants first, and will stop patients receiving required care if they can as punishment for being challenged.

Yes. But that doesn't mean that you automatically offer same sex care. It does mean that you honour the request when it is made.

They didn't make a mistake by simply having a trans nurse and that nurse providing care to someone who hadnt said they wanted same sex care.

A man couldn't accuse a hospital of violating his right to same sex care just because a female nurse was assigned to him before he made any such request.

Correct but you understand that some people would? People who have experienced trauma or have religious reasons?

"So requesting female only doesn’t help because they class trans women as women."

Number of trans people : small
Number of trans women : smaller
Number of trans women who are HCPs : tiny
Number of trans women who are HCPs and provide smear tests/mammograms: miniscule

Not everyone would see a male as a violation.

Thats a grim gotcha…. (Shudder)
”we you didnt actually say you didn’t want to be violated like that?… too bad how sad”. ?!

Ah yes - those silly ladies being sensitive…

It’s terrifying, isn’t it. Was it in Scotland that they appointed a TW to be in charge of rape crisis? They really hate women and girls

But in the case of mammograms the invitation letter says the procedure will be performed by a woman, as do most smear tests. So requesting female only doesn’t help because they class trans women as women.

if I break my arm and it’s treated by someone who is trans, that’s fine.

But anyone who thinks you can change sex should be barred from performing any sex-specific care because they obviously don’t know what the two sexes are.

I asked for a guarantee that I wouldn’t be dealing with a TW and the person on the phone got rather arsey.

@LiviaDrusillaAugusta well here in Scotland the SNP and police idea is that woman should “re-frame their trauma” I believe? You know forget what actually happened to them to play a part in other people’s delusions… remember a hurty feel for someone not doing so is of course much more severe than a violent sexual assault to a mere actual female… like the old school females that is..

That’s your call. I don’t have an issue with mixed care for many things, as long as people have the right to specify if they want to.

Personally I want medical staff who understand the most basic level of biology (TM or TW).

But by being inclusive to (apparently ) a tiny minority of people, the NHS is risking lives. What about women who can’t be seen by a man for religious reasons? Or trauma? Are they supposed to just ignore the risk?

And people saying to just refuse it on the day - then you get labelled a transphobe who has committed ‘literal violence’ because you don’t want someone who thinks gender is more important than bio reality poking around.

if they say they only provide female staff to provide certain services, then they should at least do exactly that.

Well that's pretty important because if she hasn't yet requested a same sex HCP, then she didn't have that request dishonoured when the nurse initially entered the room.

The rest of your point goes back to what I said about not having a smear test based on the remote chance the HCP assigned to you (probably at your local GP) will be a trans woman.

From what I can remember of it there was a lot more to it than that.

IIRC The trans identified male nurse deliberately entered the room after the woman had requested same sex HCPs. I'm not spending my Saturday afternoon refamiliarizing myself with all the articles I can find on it, I'm away out!

The point is that women are self excluding because some male trans identifying HCPs can, have, and (self admittedly) would present themselves to a female patient who had requested single sex intimate care. This should not happen, if a woman requests single sex intimate care she should only see female HCPs for that health care need.

The self excluding women are not the problem. Hospitals and some trans identifying male HCPs lying and expecting women to comply is the problem.

It's one of the rules of misogyny isn't it? Male actions that harm women are not the problem, it's the women's reaction to harmful male actions that's the real problem.

@LondonLady1980

"Self excluding from healthcare"

Hmm I didnt read the timeline that way.

"Former solicitor Teresa this week claimed she almost died when the private hospital involved in her care, The Princess Grace Hospital in London, cancelled an essential operation because, after the incident with the nurse entering her room, she had demanded same-sex care — a right enshrined by law. ‘I am interested in the law in this area,’ she stresse"

So she was in for an op, a trans nurse came in the room. She spotted that right away and asked for same sex care after this occurred. Then her op was cancelled.

Point being, the way this reads, she didnt ask for same sex care and then was assigned a trans nurse.

I don't know, maybe it's just me that thinks it's an extremely misogynistic take on a hospital who does this.

Feminists: "This is shocking, women are self excluding from health care because of things like this:"

'Hospital withdraws possibly lifesaving care from woman who refused to allow a male HCP to put his fingers inside her against her prior explicitly stated consent.'

Misogynists: "Oh well, private hospitals can choose their sexual assault victims customers however they want you know!"

It's a bit... rape-y isn't it.