Six year old trans girl ‘tries to cut off her penis’ after Guide ban

The IOC have caved into pressure from Trump and the far-right gender critical activists.

Those who are campaigning against dignity for trans women should be asking themselves if they’re really happy to be on the same side as Trump 🙄

I can’t decide if OP is a true believer or just trolling us now,

Both, I assume.

I can’t decide if OP is a true believer or just trolling us now, but it’s heartening to see that nobody agrees with them.

women have said no, get over it. Fuck off with your “be kind” nonsense - women and girls are not support humans or validation tools or props for delusional males, and we’re taking our stuff back. And I don’t care if that makes some of the males that stole it from us sad. Fuck off.

They identify as women though, and should be treated as such from the perspective of sport categorisation.

Trans women happen to have been assigned male at birth. That should not prevent them participating in the sport grouping that feels most appropriate to them.

There are all sorts of physical advantages that different people have in sport. Are we saying that tall girls should be banned from female teams because they are better than others.

I don’t see why a girl should be banned from playing a sport they love simply because they happen to have been assigned male at birth.

I absolutely agree that children can feel pigeonholed by societal gender expectations (feels like a very wordy way to say that!). However, hand on heart I do not know where these crept into my child’s orbit.

I never expected to find myself parenting a trans child, it was not in any way on my radar. My firstborn really wasn’t pushed into playing with gender typical toys, but this was because I was more interested in STEM / musical toys and I loathe plastic tat. Initially they would always choose gender typical clothing.
They have told me that they were trying on a pair of glasses in boots, looked around them and just “felt” as though they were meant to be the opposite gender. Nothing more significant than that..

I read posts on threads like these and it seems as though people imagine the parents of trans children to either be plotting some nefarious world dominating ideology based around public bathrooms, or hearing their child express a gender questioning opinion and immediately throwing a trans flag around them and changing their pronouns. The reality is very different, much more nuanced. I would really like to know how many of the “I’d just tell them that’s not real” brigade have ever met a trans person / child?

It was the BBC. We literally start stereotyping from birth, from before birth if parents do a ‘gender reveal’ and colour code everything.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/magazine-40936719

The article is clear that this girl’s friends are all now boycotting Rainbows due to how she has been treated.

Erm no, I think they just enjoyed the activities and got on with the other kids 🙄

Of all the things that never happened, this didn't happen the most.

I grew up on the 80’s when (as it was called then) gender bending was the norm. Plenty of men wore make up and had an outwardly feminine look. And women had short crops and wore suits and ties.

Of course there were a few raised eyebrows at the time but as the decade went on it became and more and more accepted.

To go from that acceptance that we can all dress and present how we choose to where we are now when kids bring gender nonconforming are being told they’re the opposite sex and pushed into a narrow box seems massively regressive

I absolutely agree that children can feel pigeonholed by societal gender expectations (feels like a very wordy way to say that!). However, hand on heart I do not know where these crept into my child’s orbit

It's difficult to avoid the stereotypes and people often don't realise they are imposing stereotypes.

There was a TV programme a few years ago when they dressed baby girls in "boys clothes" and gave them boys names and dressed the boys in "girls clothes" and gave them girls names. They then filmed the interactions between adults and the children. The adults treated these babies very differently depending on whether they thought they were boys or girls based on names and clothing

I missed this old cliché that gets thrown around far too much on MN as if we are all living in a cupboard.

So first of all there's my brother. Then there's his classmates from school. And several people associated with them. Then there's the TAs son. And then there's one of my best friends sons. Then there's theres my son's teacher for an out of school activity. Then there's various other people who are more acquaintances...

I would say there's a sizable percentage of MNetters in the feminist section who have close acquaintances or family members who identify as trans - and as a result we've witnessed the darker side of this which has been massively taboo to speak about and really should be because it's not insignificant in terms of levels of harms.

..and for you, those reasons are more important than the feelings of the people you are referring to..
Can I ask how many people you know IRL who would prefer you use pronouns which don’t match their biological sex?
(This post sounds more antagonistic than I mean it to, but I can’t find a way to say this more neutrally!)

..and for you, those reasons are more important than the feelings of the people you are referring to..
Can I ask how many people you know IRL who would prefer you use pronouns which don’t match their biological sex?
(This post sounds more antagonistic than I mean it to, but I can’t find a way to say this more neutrally!)

Why do the parents ALWAYS have a blog?

It's so strange 🙄

Would it be asking too much for you to say “her”?

But we need truly female only spaces to protect vulnerable women and girls op.

I think the difficulty here is that you've two essentially minority groups both of which have their own distinct vulnerabilities and both of whom need safe spaces and protection. But those needs are in contradiction because of the nature of those vulnerabilities. Its not an easy solution by any means but the solution cannot be removing women and girls access to female only safe spaces.

Poor child.

I'm a physician so studied trans issues etc but this child needs more psychiatric help. Terrible she is being forced away from her peers.

I absolutely agree that children can feel pigeonholed by societal gender expectations (feels like a very wordy way to say that!). However, hand on heart I do not know where these crept into my child’s orbit.

I never expected to find myself parenting a trans child, it was not in any way on my radar. My firstborn really wasn’t pushed into playing with gender typical toys, but this was because I was more interested in STEM / musical toys and I loathe plastic tat. Initially they would always choose gender typical clothing.
They have told me that they were trying on a pair of glasses in boots, looked around them and just “felt” as though they were meant to be the opposite gender. Nothing more significant than that..

I read posts on threads like these and it seems as though people imagine the parents of trans children to either be plotting some nefarious world dominating ideology based around public bathrooms, or hearing their child express a gender questioning opinion and immediately throwing a trans flag around them and changing their pronouns. The reality is very different, much more nuanced. I would really like to know how many of the “I’d just tell them that’s not real” brigade have ever met a trans person / child?

I don't lie to children.

The parents are lying to their son be allowing him to be a girl/she/her. It's not fair on the child. As this boy is now finding out just because mummy and daddy say you're a proper girl the majority of the rest of society know he's a boy.

Society don't know his gender identity but they can tell his sex.

At 6 can he even explain why his gender is different to his sex? Past dresses and toys and being happier when he plays with the girls? Can his parents? As I've yet to hear an explanation from anyone that doesn't just go on about stereotypes and not much else.

The lad is at an age when if told when he grows up he can have some medicine and an operation and will then be indistinguishable from all the other girls will believe them. A boy that has yet to go through puberty, a boy who will not understand the process and years it takes to go from child to adult. A boy who has no clue what his parents are suggesting comes with massive health implications A boy who has no clue that the medication has side effects and unintended consequences. A boy who has no clue the surgery will involve turning his penis inside out to create a open wound that is permanently trying to close itself.... Do I need to go on?

So whilst it all seems harmless and cute at 6 and what is the harm in calling him her? All they are doing is setting this boy up for an unhappy future where despite his wish to be a girl, despite the medication and the surgeries people will still see him for the male he is.

Much better to give him the truth now. He can call himself Emily. He can wear tights and pink dresses, he can play with the Barbie doll, he can grow his hair long and have bunches. But he needs to understand that none of those things make him a girl. And nothing that he does along the way, not medication, not surgery, not wishful thinking is ever going to change the fact that every part of him is a boy.

Honestly I'd rather upset a 6 year old and tell them the truth than lie to the extent this boys parents have done.

I think we should move towards a situation where people like you are made to resit Biology at school. Be made to spend a year working in rape crisis centres, another year coaching a girls gymnastics team and then a boys one to see the difference, and just generally not be allowed to be near children until you can see the damage people like you cause.