Six year old trans girl ‘tries to cut off her penis’ after Guide ban

I haven't RTFT but IF this is true (big if) then the parents need to be carefully investigated.

Who told this poor child that cutting off his penis would make him a girl? This is a safeguarding nightmare and the child needs some serious psychological help,

Because you're a woman.

Just because one woman is happy, doesn’t mean all are.

When I was 18 and pissed I would barge into the blokes on a night out as I was desperate for a wee. Security would rightly tell me off but I didn’t care at the time - I was young and drunk. Besides, the blokes were all outside pissing up the wall.

Im now nearly 50 and a professional, not just someone who had no experience of the world. My DD is gay - I’m worried that she will define herself as trans as it seems “weird” to be attracted to the same sex (especially women) in her age group.

His parents appear to be people without a basic grasp of reality.

His parents allowed him, and encouraged him, to think he could actually change sex and be a little girl.

His parents set this boy up to suffer later.

His parents then drove this boy to a point where, if their story is to be believed, he got so distressed because of the lies he'd been told by them that when reality collided with the delusional little bubble they'd constructed for him he wanted to cut his penis off.

What his parents should have been doing is explaining to him that he could wear what he wants and play with what he wants and that for a lot of things in life it doesn't matter if someone is a boy or a girl. But that sometimes it really matters what sex you ACTUALLY are, and because he's a boy he's not allowed into spaces and events that are for girls only.

People who understand reality are not the extremists in this argument. If anyone is extremist it's the boys deluded parents.

As a leader this is not true. It will be exactly the same as it has always been. I’ve been a leader for 25 years and never had a trans member attend or enquire. I suspect most units don’t either. They haven’t published numbers affected but I suspect it is tiny.

Not according to Cass.

Surely the ‘weaponisation’ was done by whoever wrote and published the article?

Because of trauma I don’t want a man in a single sex space with me.

I do not consent to that.

does my consent mean nothing?

i can tell a trans identifying male. His being in that space will traumatise me.

why do my feelings not matter?

Is it really a struggle to explain to children that girls don't have penises? Or that some spaces are just for boys or just for girls?

6 year olds don't need female only spaces. Absolutely appalling and unnecessary that this young child was excluded. It is going too far. Maybe if we got rid of these rigid gender boxes children wouldn't feel they need to be another gender to fit in the box.

Cass disagrees

She added: "There are a tiny number of people who will never be comfortable with their biological sex, with the gender associated with their biological sex.
"And for them, a medical pathway is the only way they're going to live their life comfortably. And we don't understand why that is, but we have to try and help those people thrive as much as the young people who are going to grow out of this."

And re the appalling weaponising of children;-

Asked if children had been let down by an adult-led debate, Cass said "absolutely", adding they "were also caught up in all the issues about single-sex spaces and sports and safe areas for women which were actually not to do with the children but they were somehow part of a football within it".
"That's a real shame that children have been weaponised."

Zoe Williams has argued that a sensible solution to all of this would be to make the Brownies mixed gender like the Scouts.

What's the point of that when a mixed sex group already exists? If you make guiding mixed sex then what you're doing is opening it up to boys who are not confused about what sex they are, but who may not be into whatever activities scouts have on offer.

The 'trans girls' won't get that validation of being a girl, because it will be a mixed sex space. And girls lose their single sex space and all the positives they get from having that. The whole dynamic changes, the boys will dominate and take over, as the girls make themselves smaller.

Typical TRAs, if I can't have it then I'll destroy it, and then no one will.

Don’t be absurd @JonesTown

That notion doesn’t deserve anything like respect.

What's more, think of all the girls who can now join Rainbows, Brownies, Guides and Rangers because they know they will be safe from boys and men instead of having to share facilities with them and lie about their sex.

Seriously? No 6 year old of mine would ever have known that they could ‘identify’ as anything. What a load of nonsense.

I know! I can still hear Angelica saying, “you dumb babies!” I had a cousin with very similar traits. She was very bossy and like Angelica would try to engineer situations where she could then go to the adults, tell tales and get others into trouble.

I am disgusted that the Observer has published this. It used to be a haven for sex-realists and now it's using cognitive dissonant phrases like "her penis". Girls don't have penises. Boys do.

Well hopefully we balance each other out and the leavers are all replaced with newcomer. The 'extremest' title varies depending on which side your on.

Some days my six year old wanted to be a bulldozer, and other days a fireman. I didn't let him drink diesel or run in to burning buildings.

The extremists are grown, supposedly functioning adults affirming the lie that you can be the opposite sex, especially to children. They are dangerous and your username is an apt one.

Some children may be trans. But that doesn’t mean a 6 year old is in any way able to know that and parents shouldn’t be going down that route when they are so young.

We shouldn't be encouraging these things in six year olds. They need to be able to fully understand what they are saying before the trans route is even considered.

With this lot, every accusation is a confession.

The world has actually gone mad when telling a boy he is a boy not a girl gets you labelled an extremist.

You have no evidence for this. Cass has said some children are trans.