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Six year old trans girl ‘tries to cut off her penis’ after Guide ban

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JonesTown · 29/03/2026 11:14

Quite a disturbing article in this morning’s Observer regarding the impact of the Guides’ ban on trans girls following the Supreme Court ruling.

It reports on the experience of one six year old trans girl named Emily after hearing she could no longer attend Rainbows:

Emily’s parents decided to be honest with their daughter about the situation, and explained that she was no longer able to take part in Rainbows because she was trans. A few hours later Curt said they found her “sobbing in her room” and were “shocked” to find her holding a pair of plastic scissors to her penis.

AIBU to find this a distressing consequence of campaign by anti-trans activists or is it a natural result of allowing such young children to change their gender identity?

Girlguiding facing mass exodus after setting deadline for...

Girlguiding facing mass exodus after setting deadline for...

The organisation is battling a backlash over new rules that will exclude trans girls from the organisation

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/girlguiding-facing-mass-exodus-after-setting-deadline-for-trans-girls-to-quit

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Taztoy · 29/03/2026 17:37

ForCyanGuide · 29/03/2026 17:32

Its another marginalised group that is picked on by bigots

Racist = bigot
Homophobic = bigot
Transphobic = bigot

Comparisons need to be made so people can understand the hate that they spew at groups of very vulnerable people.

What about my rights as a vulnerable adult human female?

TheKeatingFive · 29/03/2026 17:36

ForCyanGuide · 29/03/2026 17:32

Its another marginalised group that is picked on by bigots

Racist = bigot
Homophobic = bigot
Transphobic = bigot

Comparisons need to be made so people can understand the hate that they spew at groups of very vulnerable people.

I do not believe that humans can change sex. That is a scientifically factual position. How can scientific fact be 'bigotry'?

You need to take this up with Mother Nature

Apollo441 · 29/03/2026 17:35

A child attempting to mutilate their genitals is a sign that the child has been sexually abused. Social services should be involved.

Hallamule · 29/03/2026 17:35

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 29/03/2026 17:31

Define gender.

Unlikely. We're still waiting for a definition of woman that explains what biological women and trans women have in common that differentiates them from men.

Waitwhat23 · 29/03/2026 17:35

DarmokAndJaladAtTenagra · 29/03/2026 17:17

That's a couple of times you've mentioned the Green Party. Thanks for raising awareness that they have some absolutely batshit crazy ideas.

Many people still see them as the party to vote for if you're against global warming and loss of biodiversity. It's very important that we all know that they while they are pro environment, they are also anti women. Thank you

The Scottish Greens voted en masse against the six words amendment of the Forensic Medical Examiners Bill, designed to allow rape survivors to request (not demand, just request) a female medical examiner. Maggie Chapman of the Scottish Greens was a major force behind the disaster at ERCC.

and of course, in E&W, there's good old Hypnotits.

They despise women to their core.

TheKeatingFive · 29/03/2026 17:35

JonesTown · 29/03/2026 17:30

My definition would be abuse, disrespect or hatred directed at a trans person because of their gender identity.

That would include failure to uphold or recognise their chosen gender and pronouns.

I've always used pronouns to refer to sex. That was true of everyone until a few years ago.

Can you tell me when we as a society had this debate collectively and decided that pronouns referencing 'gender' was preferable for society at large? Because I seem to have missed that discussion

NewName12345678910 · 29/03/2026 17:32

JonesTown · 29/03/2026 11:27

Zoe Williams has argued that a sensible solution to all of this would be to make the Brownies mixed gender like the Scouts.

Wouldn't this be more sensible than making six year old girls so distressed that they attempt to cut off their penis?

making six year old girls so distressed that they attempt to cut off their penis?

Girls don’t have penises.

ForCyanGuide · 29/03/2026 17:32

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 29/03/2026 17:29

Why are you bringing gay people into this?

How is the type of person one is sexually attracted to anything to do with this?

Its another marginalised group that is picked on by bigots

Racist = bigot
Homophobic = bigot
Transphobic = bigot

Comparisons need to be made so people can understand the hate that they spew at groups of very vulnerable people.

Scripturient · 29/03/2026 17:31

TheKeatingFive · 29/03/2026 17:28

Comparisons with gay rights are ridiculous.

Being gay is about accepting your sexuality for what it is. The 'trans' discourse is about encouraging people to believe they are something they are not.

Gay rights required nothing from anyone else but civility.

No going along with lies that men can 'really be women', no women having to give up single sex spaces and services. No children being put on life changing medical pathways because they are gender non conforming.

The grift is over mate

Hear, hear!

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 29/03/2026 17:31

ForCyanGuide · 29/03/2026 17:22

You’re right actually. Gay people as well! Let’s stop lying to them about fancying the wrong gender.

Boys should be boys and girls should be girls.

How enlightening!

And again - not gender, sex.

You always know the trans rights people because they can never say sex when they mean sex. They always say gender. They always conflate the two and get annoyed at any suggestion they actually talk about what they want. If you want mixed sex spaces stop talking about gender neutral or mixed gender. (Eg as girl guiding allows in trans boys or non-binary female children, they are already mixed gender).

Hallamule · 29/03/2026 17:31

ForCyanGuide · 29/03/2026 17:22

You’re right actually. Gay people as well! Let’s stop lying to them about fancying the wrong gender.

Boys should be boys and girls should be girls.

How enlightening!

No, you misunderstand. Boys are boys and girls are girls. Wear what you like, play with what you like, like who you like - those things are choices. But your sex is your sex.

TheKeatingFive · 29/03/2026 17:31

ForCyanGuide · 29/03/2026 17:29

But they can change which gender they identify as.

Cool.

Why would this mean he has any right to access women/girls single SEX spaces?

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 29/03/2026 17:31

ForCyanGuide · 29/03/2026 17:29

But they can change which gender they identify as.

Define gender.

spannasaurus · 29/03/2026 17:31

ForCyanGuide · 29/03/2026 17:29

But they can change which gender they identify as.

Guiding is single sex not single gender.

JonesTown · 29/03/2026 17:30

MyrtleLion · 29/03/2026 17:23

Please define transphobia. You seem able to spot it and want it criminalised as hate speech, so I think it would be helpful to have a definition.

My definition would be abuse, disrespect or hatred directed at a trans person because of their gender identity.

That would include failure to uphold or recognise their chosen gender and pronouns.

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TheKeatingFive · 29/03/2026 17:30

ForCyanGuide · 29/03/2026 17:28

Weird though right, every progressive I know isn’t worried about trans people. They don’t paint them as these evil cross dressers trying to “invade female spaces”.

on the other hand, every roundabout painting, hotel shouting, flag waving nutjob is anti trans.

you might not be one of those, but there is definitely a correlation between conservatism and transphobia.

If caring about women's rights to single sex spaces and services makes me 'right wing' then fine.

All I can say is WTF happened to the left wing that saw fit to throw women under the bus to this degree?

tnorfotkcab · 29/03/2026 17:29

JonesTown · 29/03/2026 11:27

Zoe Williams has argued that a sensible solution to all of this would be to make the Brownies mixed gender like the Scouts.

Wouldn't this be more sensible than making six year old girls so distressed that they attempt to cut off their penis?

He's not a girl about, is he?

ForCyanGuide · 29/03/2026 17:29

spannasaurus · 29/03/2026 17:26

Humans can be same sex attracted but they can't change sex

But they can change which gender they identify as.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 29/03/2026 17:29

ForCyanGuide · 29/03/2026 17:22

You’re right actually. Gay people as well! Let’s stop lying to them about fancying the wrong gender.

Boys should be boys and girls should be girls.

How enlightening!

Why are you bringing gay people into this?

How is the type of person one is sexually attracted to anything to do with this?

TheKeatingFive · 29/03/2026 17:28

ForCyanGuide · 29/03/2026 17:22

You’re right actually. Gay people as well! Let’s stop lying to them about fancying the wrong gender.

Boys should be boys and girls should be girls.

How enlightening!

Comparisons with gay rights are ridiculous.

Being gay is about accepting your sexuality for what it is. The 'trans' discourse is about encouraging people to believe they are something they are not.

Gay rights required nothing from anyone else but civility.

No going along with lies that men can 'really be women', no women having to give up single sex spaces and services. No children being put on life changing medical pathways because they are gender non conforming.

The grift is over mate

ForCyanGuide · 29/03/2026 17:28

soddingspiderseason · 29/03/2026 17:17

Oh for goodness sake. Women saying no to men is not far right, anti-trans. Its a basic biological fact that no-one can change sex. “Woman” - as clarified by the Supreme Court means biological female. And always has. You can’t change sex. And my right as a woman is to have same sex services and spaces. Nowt far right about that.

Weird though right, every progressive I know isn’t worried about trans people. They don’t paint them as these evil cross dressers trying to “invade female spaces”.

on the other hand, every roundabout painting, hotel shouting, flag waving nutjob is anti trans.

you might not be one of those, but there is definitely a correlation between conservatism and transphobia.

spannasaurus · 29/03/2026 17:26

ForCyanGuide · 29/03/2026 17:22

You’re right actually. Gay people as well! Let’s stop lying to them about fancying the wrong gender.

Boys should be boys and girls should be girls.

How enlightening!

Humans can be same sex attracted but they can't change sex

SeriousTissues · 29/03/2026 17:24

Not going to Rainbows is the least of that little lad’s problems. I do hope he manages to get some help.

MyrtleLion · 29/03/2026 17:23

JonesTown · 29/03/2026 17:18

Personally I think transphobia should be properly treated as the hate speech it is, with investigations and criminal charges as appropriate.

That is the Green Party policy I believe.

Please define transphobia. You seem able to spot it and want it criminalised as hate speech, so I think it would be helpful to have a definition.

Hillarious · 29/03/2026 17:22

lcakethereforeIam · 29/03/2026 16:55

Yes, how about framing it like this, Zoe Williams and a section of the Girl Guides want boys to be put on a pathway that leads inevitably to castration.

Perhaps they could make it a badge!

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Having worked in higher education and having encountered in my work a disproportionate number of trans women, my overriding and lasting impression is that none of them were truly happy and surgery brought with it further complications. But any grown up discussion is shut down with accusations of transphobia. In my role my, despite my personal view, I was nothing but supportive in picking up the pieces administratively (mainly mental health related) for this very vulnerable group of people who have just been sold a lie.