Six year old trans girl ‘tries to cut off her penis’ after Guide ban

There's a trans girl in our primary school. When the GG ruling was announced all the girls in that class made posters and banners in support. Lots threatened to leave GG to support their friend. Huge support from the families of the children too.

However... I am aware that many of the parents were secretly supportive of the change. Everyone was just too scared to be seen as transphobic especially as the mum of the child was exceptionally aggressive with their views. None of the other children did leave and everything went back to normal.

Absolutely not. There are lots of very good reasons why biological females need and benefit from single sex spaces.

What I find really hard about this is: there was already a scouting movement available that’s mixed sex. Because at the age of 6, camping isn’t a big part of the movement, a trans child is much easier to accommodate without it being much of an issue that this is a male child using a female name and wanting to be treated like they are female.

But the parents rejected this and went for the only female only option. They did that after the Supreme Court’s judgement, at a point Girl Guiding had said they were reviewing.

These cruel parents set their child up to be disappointed and hurt.

If there was not a mixed sex option, I can see this might be a problem but when there is a mixed sex option, just trying to destroy the single sex option feels hateful.

And I’m afraid the Green Party’s stance just makes them look like they hate women. If people who are male can’t access female only spaces the solution isn’t to improve male only spaces or to create new additional mixed sex spaces, it’s to scrap female only spaces and force people who are female to always accommodate people who are male.

I do think solutions need to be found for trans people that isn’t just “they need to stop being trans”- but forcing women to share their spaces is not the solution. Fix male spaces first.

This does seem like culture wars pressure has been put on the organisation rather than any actual threat to girls that has come about.

Well no. It's about abiding by the law.

If Guides want to become unisex, they absolutely can do that. What they can't do is advertise themselves as single sex, but let boys in through the back door on the grounds of 'gender identity'

This thread is so uplifting - 2 lunatic TRAs spouting anti women and anti science nonsense and all other posters disagreeing

the grift is well and truly up

"6 year olds don't need female only spaces. Absolutely appalling and unnecessary that this young child was excluded. It is going too far. Maybe if we got rid of these rigid gender boxes children wouldn't feel they need to be another gender to fit in the box."

I totally agree with getting rid of gender boxes but until we reach that place 6 year olds DO need female only spaces. Each year Girl Guiding conducts an attitude survey:
https://www.girlguiding.org.uk/globalassets/docs-and-resources/blogs-and-case-studies/gas/girlguiding-girls-attitudes-survey-2025.pdf

Some of the findings should make it clear why a single-sex environment where girls can be themselves is important:

"Girls are regularly exposed to sexist and misogynistic behaviours at school. It starts as early as 7 years old and worsens as they get older."

"They are subjected to comments that make them feel uncomfortable and scared. Girls have to navigate their environment, and be careful about appearing too smart or too self-confident. And this can negatively impact their mental health."

I thank you for your attention to detail. However it always seems a little wasted on fact defying threads like this one.

Law means trans people are their sex regardless of their chosen gender so not wanting a child with a penis in a specific organisation with children without a Penis can't be transphobic imo.

The parents caused the child’s distress by filling their head with nonsense. The child may have mental health problems but pretending to be a girl won’t fix those. The child needs counselling and the parents need guidance.

But noone was trying to pretend that the boy was a girl.

I don’t think most people are anti trans. They are anti erosion of women’s rights.

Please define gender.

Please define gender identity.

Please define a trans person.

Please don't say that a trans person is someone whose gender identity doesn't align with their sex, unless you can successfully define gender identity without saying it's an inner feeling.

The reason I ask this is because we know that some men pretend to be trans so they can abuse women. And when we say this is what some trans people do, we are told by other trans people that they are not "true trans" (see also the "No True Scotsman" fallacy which is an appeal to purity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman). So please let us know how we can tell the true trans from men pretending. Or just other men, really.

Oh my. The bomb and death threats and banging on the windows and doors of venues while survivors try to speak doesn't come from the pro women side. They aren't punching women in the face. Or covering their faces with balaclavas and attacking women. Or shouting at participants attending a feminist conference.

https://womansplaceuk.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/A-record-of-the-meetings-organised-by-WPUK.pdf

You don't find the pro women side holding up these kind of signs.

I could go on....

You are though, by implication

If 'gender' should supersede sex, then you have men identifying as 'lesbians' and seeking relationships with women. If actual lesbians don't want to include men in their dating pool (because they are exclusively same sex attracted) then you would presumably call that bigotry.

My correlation is being a rape and SA survivor and being entitled under EA2010 to single sex spaces. And protecting those. And expecting them to be upheld.

They can identify as whatever gender they like. Gender is a construct not a material reality, so how they see themselves in relation to that is their own business. However - as is the case for every single person on this planet - their sex is immutable, and they don't get to compel others to share their beliefs or to access facilities that have been set aside for people of the opposite sex.

The policy put boys in girls dorms, communal showers and tents, which is bad enough but it also put men in those places and worst of all parents weren't told that men were being allowed to take up roles that were supposed to be female only.
Girl guides are a single sex charity whose sole purpose is to operate as a group run for girls and young women without any males regardless of how they identify.
Girl guides had the option to change their charitable charter or abide by their current charter.
No boys should be in Girl guides regardless of how they identify or how nice they may be, its a girls only group.
As for studies about the harm of allowing boys into girls spaces there's hundreds just look at them and you will see why transgirls ie boys must be kept out of girls single sex groups and spaces

Saying that transgender ideology shouldn’t be forced on a 6 year old isn’t being transphobic, it is understanding that a 6 year old is unable to understand such things.

If an adult wishes to live their lives as the opposite gender then that is their choice as an adult. As long as they respect that some woman will understandably need biologically female only spaces then good luck to them.

My issue two issues come from children being exposed to this to the level they start believing something is wrong with them and the fact that certain groups are using this to erode the rights of biological females.

I in fact, did not say that.

It’s all about the man’s internal cognition and im playing trauma top trumps?

You appear to be the one saying that same sex attraction should be superseded by ‘gender’. That is pretty homophobic.

What does upholding their gender identity look like to you? What does that actually mean?

Women protecting their hard-won rights and protections are not bigots.

Women don't count, remember?

Exactly.