Six year old trans girl ‘tries to cut off her penis’ after Guide ban

This.

The Green Party are not able to say what a women is and think that some of them have penises - guess what - they don't. How can you take a party seriously when they cannot even define what a female is!

The Green Party position is detrimental to small boys with parents who lie to their son in a way that sets him up for an inevitable crisis at some point in the future.

The whole trans debate has revealed a very serious degree of misogyny in our society that people may not even be aware they are harbouring.

The degree to which women's rights, needs, dignity have been completely disregarded by those championing men in their spaces - has been quite the eye opener.

The Green Party position is that trans women are women, and should have access to female spaces alongside non-binary people.
Until we reach a position where all facilities are multi-gender, the Greens’ position would avoid trans people being so distressed that a six year old girl tries to cut her penis off.

The greens party position is detremental to women. A 6 year old boy, should be parented better and get the appropriate mental health care, the solution is not women and girls giving up their spaces.

Girls DO NOT have a penis. BOYS do!

There sorted for you!

Yes, similar energy to that much discredited method (but ongoing) of ‘managing’ challenging behaviour from boys by sitting them next to well behaved girls.

No worries about the disruption, aggravation and harm to the girls’ education- just use them as unpaid labour. GG just see girls as a means to providing a supportive and affirming environment for confused boys.

It is quite mindblowing how people who probably view themselves as very fair minded and pro equality just can’t see what they are doing.

No. They don’t ever think of the female children’s needs. I think to them, those children don’t have needs or that those female children simply do not deserve to have their needs met if those female children reject a male child’s subjective reality or that in the hierarchy of children’s needs, the female child’s needs is not as important.

I don’t think it ever occurs to them to think about it from other perspectives at all. They are emotionally driven to centre this group’s needs above everyone else’s.

The difference between 'wants' and 'needs' is something that lots of people struggle with.

'I need a foreign holiday' for example...

The OP led from the emotional reaction that society must provide this child whatever the child wants.

But they never think female children should have what they want or need, which is spaces for female children. Even when spaces for the boys are available too.

I think what happens is that some posters fully believe the righteous rhetoric that they read in their self limited media selection. The OP seems to have posted with the intention of shaming others who see the massive red safeguarding flags where those who have the siloed thinking that female children have to accept a male child is female if he says he is.

It doesn’t work out well, because the majority of the UK believe that male people should not access female single sex provisions, even if those male people believe they are female. What now happens is the opposite.

The majority who five years ago were still trying to articulate their concerns, have seen and read enough to work out what they think. The highly emotive posts from the OP, were intended to be manipulative (maybe not from the OP’s perspective, but certainly from those who publicised this shocking reaction in the first place).

However, shining a bright beacon on the parental decisions that led to this small boy’s distress has a focusing effect. The OP led from the emotional reaction that society must provide this child whatever the child wants. That thinking is simply not the approach that people come to when they read widely and look at all angles of this situation. This child certainly has been let down, but it is not by the group of people who have said ‘no’ to him.

The child has been harmed by the people who demanded that he should have been given access to a group he should not have had access to.

That poor little boy.

The publicising of this particular story has backfired quite significantly. Not just here, but on other platforms.

It was intended as a 'look what the evil TERFs have done' story (what, upholding the law?) But the vast majority have been rightly appalled that a parent would put their child in this position. Or suggested in any way that their body parts were a problem.

That is all assuming it's true, which a lot of us have our doubts about too.

Indeed they do our work for us.

Bloody hell... I thought it was in FWR!! Wow, no wonder there were a lot of new names posting. Bit of an own goal for the OP bringing this stupidity to those who don't normally visit the naughty corner. Wow, wow wow 😮

It did.

Also the increasingly ridiculous demands from TRA for TIMs.

In schools other young people became bored of the attention seeking and demands of 'trans'. Getting others in trouble for mis gendering ! Using their eyes and intelligence rather than simpering attention. Its so last year now, social contagion trend. Apart from the poor kids who drank in the ideology with pushy parents insisting everyone should ignore their own eyes and brains! Most kids eye roll now.

I think the Supreme Court judgment has changed the context for discussion, especially with other changes since, such as the IOC now protecting female sport. Women's rights are no longer just a niche topic for debate, thank goodness.

Exactly. Things have thankfully changed. People realise that the whole transaction ideology was delutional. Live as you want but you can't change sex and should not expect to push women aside if you're a TIM.

Up until maybe a year or two ago this thread would either have been deleted or moved FWR

Poor children.

Having read the thread, its a breath of fresh air and complete change from this type of discussion several years ago. People now speak out about the damage done to children. People say you cannot change sex and trans women are not women but men who feel more stereotypically feminine.

There is push back against the nonsense. Lots of it. People realise the ideology is stupid.

More to do, and too many children damaged, by pushing this nonsense and parents following the must affirm rubbish. Many are still in denial of the damage they have done themselves. Its abuse and many niw realise that.

TealScroller · Yesterday 13:16
I agree, it's utterly tragic. Trans girls ARE girls and the decision to exclude them from guides (or any other gendered institution) is plain wrong.

The twist back to "gender" is very interesting.

But again changing the discussion to make a point

Oh don't be ridiculous.

I haven't worn a dress in about 7 years. A skirt maybe 3 years ago for a wedding. I'm not interested in hair and makeup. I played with lego mainly as a kid - no interest in dolls. I work in science.

I am just as worthy a woman and a mum as any other. As are my female colleagues who are predominantly quirky ND non conforming women (and an absolutley amazing bunch).

I actually feel really angry and downright offended at the implication that people like me should fit into a different gender category. What on earth has gone wrong that women are supposed to fit into such limited categories??

There's going to be quite the reckoning with these parents who have put their young children on this path, presumably with support of their immediate peer group.

With the SC ruling making the legalities quite clear, it's not going to be an easy row back. It's going to be an utter mess, with the kids caught in the middle.

What a load of fucking rubbish. People can’t change sex. Deal with it. Men and boys are not having OUR spaces. It’s material reality and it’s the law. If you lie to your kids then they’re much more likely to reach for the plastic scissors (that never happened).